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re: The game was called well.

Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:26 am to
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:26 am to
True but he had no choice.

DD tucked the elbow in and turned away, mimicking an evasive move. Should have stood on a ball 4
Posted by BeesWax
Member since Mar 2025
695 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:26 am to
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He moved his elbow down instinctually to protect his ribs.

No, he knew he had elbow protection and intentionally tried to hit the ball there. He has let it hit him there all year and reverted to a habit in a bad spot.
This post was edited on 6/22/25 at 9:27 am
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
41381 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:27 am to
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I’ll agree the zone was called same for both teams so I can live w that.


Kade threw 3 straight strikes for balls in the 8th and 2 in the 9th. STFU
Posted by Hurricane2020
Member since Apr 2020
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Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:27 am to
My only gripes:

1) The HBP was bullshite...

2) The first base umpire screwed us on a run due to not getting out of the way of the ball. He also almost screwed up another play by being way too close to another play.

3) The strike zone on the bottom left corner was inconsistent and costed Kade Anderson several balls when throwing to that corner.

Otherwise it was a fairly umpired game.
Posted by BeesWax
Member since Mar 2025
695 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:31 am to
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It wasn't intentional. The brain takes about 100-150 milliseconds to process and become consciously aware of an action or event after it occurs.


This doesn’t factor in habit
Posted by PMacsBackup
Member since Nov 2022
36 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:31 am to
I thought the guy calling balls and strikes was nails. Lots of good takes by LSU that would have 100% been strikes in any other game this tournament.

I really enjoyed him calling everything out. For balls, there was often "No." Or "That's outside."

The strike calls were even better - almost like he called em twice. "Yep". Or, "THAT'S a strike." And then followed by his yelling out the definitive "Hah!".

Having the mic up made it fun.

The HBP was reviewed. And he let Jay know that pretty quick out of the dugout. They've been making that particular call throughout all the games in Omaha.So, at least consistent. Players should know by now. Great challenge.

With a full count, you gotta just get out the way of a clear ball and not give then the chance to call what they did.

The 1B ump we've git history with. Frick that guy. If you're going to stand that close, you better be able to get your butt out of the way on a play like that. I'm glad we won because it would be pretty sickening to have that affect Kade's gem and have to have that been one of the turning points.
This post was edited on 6/22/25 at 9:34 am
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
46104 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:32 am to
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This is why the rule should be nullified on 3-2 counts
except if the pitch is judged to be a strike. I get what the rule is about (hint: it’s about teams like CCU working the edges to get men on base) couched in “player safety” concerns. By the way this change in the rule is not new, it’s ten years old I think

bottom line, if a 3 ball pitch out of the zone hits a batter, batter should get 1st base
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:37 am to
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This doesn’t factor in habit


Right.

Habit is from training the unconscious brain, some say muscle memory.

He's been trained that way but when it happens now he is no longer aware of it.
Posted by PMacsBackup
Member since Nov 2022
36 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:38 am to
I think the officials are hyper-sensitive to those that come close to the elbow pad lots seem to wear these days. Sometimes players use them cause it's not like there's the pain of wearing one. If it's a close call around the elbow pad and there's a knock of hard plastic, the coach should challenge if not called at the plate every time-especially this particular tournament.
Posted by BeesWax
Member since Mar 2025
695 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:39 am to
This ignores that he’s trained it intentionally, so it’s still what he wanted. You may be right that he did not consciously do it in the moment but he consciously has trained to make himself do that very thing. His reaction wasn’t one of mistake but of a desired outcome.
This post was edited on 6/22/25 at 9:42 am
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:40 am to
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if a 3 ball pitch out of the zone hits a batter, batter should get 1st base


Right.

That would make the result 100% dependent on pitch performance.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
79603 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:41 am to
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This ignores that he’s trained it intentionally.



Yes.

Per the coaches' wishes.
Posted by PMacsBackup
Member since Nov 2022
36 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:42 am to
I was most upset that the ESPN guys were gloating "this guy's only walked 8 all year." His 1st batter faced in the game should have been number 9.
Posted by BeesWax
Member since Mar 2025
695 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:42 am to
Then we agree. But it was nevertheless intentional and the right call all at the same time. And I also agree that the rule should require it to be in the strike zone.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:50 am to
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it was nevertheless intentional


Yes, coaches' organizational intent, not the player's in real time.

That penalty is not aimed against the individual player but rather the team/organization.
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
27916 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:52 am to
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He stuck his arm out


Not out….Down and in. Watch it again

LINK: video
Posted by Demonbengal
Ruston
Member since May 2015
4555 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:57 am to
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This is why the rule should be nullified on 3-2 counts.


Agreed
Posted by BeesWax
Member since Mar 2025
695 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 10:01 am to
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Yes, coaches' organizational intent, not the player's in real time. That penalty is not aimed against the individual player but rather the team/organization.

No disagreement here
Posted by BeesWax
Member since Mar 2025
695 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 10:02 am to
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Not out….Down and in. Watch it again

Was using out in the general sense. He stuck his arm out to the ball.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
107796 posts
Posted on 6/22/25 at 10:08 am to
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Are you under the impression that someone other than Dickinson moved his elbow into the path of the pitch?
Thats not the rule though

You are allowed to move, you just can’t move for the sole purpose of intending to get hit


So tell me again, what software are you running to know what his intent was?
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