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re: THE Fundamental Flaw in Les's Football Philosophy
Posted on 3/31/16 at 10:21 am to CelticDog
Posted on 3/31/16 at 10:21 am to CelticDog
Home field won't be enough if we continue to be predictable. The atmosphere that is the advantage in Death Valley will diminish if that offense puts out a similar product to last year. Fans have all but had enough.
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Posted on 3/31/16 at 10:32 am to AlwysATgr
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So how was their O so much more functional than ours? It wasn't talent
Our offense was 3rd in the sec in offensive yards per game.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 10:33 am to DBest
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Home field won't be enough if we continue to be predictable.
Cfb is not about being unpredictable. Hell Oregon runs the same damn play 50 % of the game.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 10:35 am to AlwysATgr
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It's just that our O will gain 500 yds/game instead 400 yds/game.
Holy shite. Wanna guess how many sec teams, in the history of the sec, average 500 yards of offense?
Posted on 3/31/16 at 10:42 am to AlwysATgr
quote:Basically ZERO championship teams aside from AU with Cam do this, if we recruit Cam Newton, we play QB go crazy football.
Les does not engineer his offense around the skill-set of his QB
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This is not necessarily reflected statistically in run:pass ratio or personnel sets or formations or pace or YPG, etc.
that a way, disregard any objective evidence that shows your opinion is just garbage. Are you my first wife?
quote:we were competing for one last year.
Moreover, in terms of competing for championships
quote:I have seen plenty of offenses shite the bed, if you have not, you are just seeing what you want to see.
How often have you watched other teams play and their offense appears functional and then you watch us and it looks so clumsy, so unpracticed, so dysfunctional?
We have a lot to improve on offensively, and we will. But you reducing it to ONE player on the offense is just dumb. Our TEAM failures were in many categories. shite, what did we give up to Arky 21 pts in the first quarter or something like that.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:27 pm to AlwysATgr
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IMO, that's a negligible difference and doesn't change the overarching approach,
The difference between hitting someone 2 yards past the line of scrimmage or 4 yards past the line of scrimmage IS NOT negligible.its literaly the difference between having to punt and continuing a drive.
This post was edited on 3/31/16 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:30 pm to tigerfoot
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have seen plenty of offenses shite the bed, if you have not, you are just seeing what you want to see.
Exactly. Hell an average lsu defense held the #1 offense in the country to 399 yards of offense in our bowl game.
The 399 yards was the 2nd lowest total of 2015.
This post was edited on 3/31/16 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:30 pm to AlwysATgr
Did you stay up all night thinking of that?
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:37 pm to shrevetigertom
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remember when this board had intelligent posters and was worth reading.
Wake up Rip Van Winkle. You have been asleep and dreaming for a long, long, time.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 2:36 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Our offense was 3rd in the sec in offensive yards per game.
Technically, it was 4th for all games and 6th for SEC games only. It was also 11th in the month of November.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 2:53 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Wanna guess how many sec teams, in the history of the sec, average 500 yards of offense?
Rick, I'm normally a nice guy and care little to go ad hominem on my fellow Tiger fans. But in your case, an exception is warranted.
The point being made was relative, not absolute. Had I said we could improve our O from 350 to 450 yds, would that have helped the medicine go down?
And why should I trust you when you can't tell the difference between 3 and 4.
If you want to discuss Tiger football and how we can improve then I'm all for it. Else, go soil someone else thread.
IMO, our O isn't engineered around the skill-set of our QB and that's by intention. If Les would change this, it would greatly improve our chances to win championships.
This post was edited on 3/31/16 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 3/31/16 at 2:57 pm to AlwysATgr
Plain and simple there's nothing wrong with les's Philosophy we just don't groom our QB to play within the system ( passing accuracy ) Has been the biggest problem and play calling at times.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 3:01 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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The difference between hitting someone 2 yards past the line of scrimmage or 4 yards past the line of scrimmage IS NOT negligible.its literally the difference between having to punt and continuing a drive.
Did you just make these numbers up? They don't exist in real football.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 3:09 pm to tigerfoot
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Basically ZERO championship teams aside from AU with Cam do this,
Nope. With rare exception every team runs an O compatible with the skill-set of their QB. That's why it can function and its bad days are the outliers, not the norm. We're kind of the opposite.
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disregard any objective evidence that shows your opinion is just garbage.
Are these the same:
Team A: passes 30 plays, runs 10 in the 1st half and builds a 28 pt lead. In the 2nd half (in order to burn clock), they pass 10 plays and run 30 plays.
Team B: passes 10 plays, runs 30 in the 1st half and falls behind by 28 pts. In the 2nd half (in order to catch-up), they pass 30 plays and run 10 plays.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 3:13 pm to tigerrandy
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Plain and simple there's nothing wrong with les's Philosophy we just don't groom our QB to play within the system ( passing accuracy )
Very good. A different slant on the point I'm trying to make. I'm simply attempting to answer why we "don't groom our QB to play within the system."
Posted on 3/31/16 at 3:34 pm to AlwysATgr
His flaw is he is stubborn and tries to enforce his will on equal or more talented teams without any backup plan when it isn't effective.
His offense needs to play with more confidence and balance. And by balance I ma'am able to exploit the opponents weakness whenever needed.
His offense needs to play with more confidence and balance. And by balance I ma'am able to exploit the opponents weakness whenever needed.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 3:46 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Cfb is not about being unpredictable. Hell Oregon runs the same damn play 50 % of the game.
maybe their formation is the same, but they're unpredictable in what they're going to do on each play. So the defense is left guessing.
You could say the same about the wishbone - identical formation damn near every play. But the defense had to defend several different possibilities, so the offense was indeed unpredictable.
Our offense is not like that.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 4:15 pm to beauchristopher
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" ... he(Les) tries to enforce his will.....
Agreed and in addition he still visions himself an offensive lineman on the field and gets off when the offensive line( he's living in their shoes) opens big holes.....
Too bad Les never played a little QB
Posted on 3/31/16 at 5:22 pm to AlwysATgr
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Technically, it was 4th for all games.
I had it backwards. I thought we were 3rd in yards per game and 4th in offensive points per game.
2015 lsu was 4th in the sec in yards per game.
2015 lsu was 3rd in the sec in offensive points per game.
2015 LSU was 11th in thhe country in offensive yards per play.
Yards per play and points per play are a far better measurement of an offense's production because they arent skewed by the amount of plays ran.
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6th for SEC games only. It was also 11th in the month of November.
Go ahead and throw all these qualifiers in.
Facts prove that 2015 lsu offense was top 4 in the sec in offensive points per game and offensive yards per game.
The only thing holding our production back is the efficiency of our passing game. If our true sophomore qb raises his completion % by 10 % points ( not hard to do considering qbs usually make the biggest jump after their sophomore years) our offense will be dangerous.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 5:26 pm to AlwysATgr
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Did you just make these numbers up? They don't exist in real football.
2 yards past the line of scrimmage doesnt exist?
Youre being stupid.
If the difference between loading the box and defensive secondary peaking into the backfield was negligible, no one would ever stack the box.
This post was edited on 3/31/16 at 5:27 pm
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