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re: The elephant in the room re: Chavis and personnel decisions

Posted on 11/14/13 at 12:33 pm to
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
24524 posts
Posted on 11/14/13 at 12:33 pm to
Yes, lack of improvement is concerning.

Ole Miss had way less experience with the injuries and played better.

And GA's situation was nearly identical to ours, yet they found a way to provide pressure when it counted, and we still can't.

I wish the FL game was something to hang our hat on, but it was obviously an indictment to just how horrible their offense is. The OC will lose his job over it, and at this point, Muschamp is on thin ice.

Thank God for Miss St, Kentucky, Vandy, and mostly, for the time being A&M's defense. Lol
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
Member since Sep 2010
22649 posts
Posted on 11/14/13 at 12:38 pm to
The primary use of the cover two (Tampa 2) is going the way of the dinosaur against many of these newer offensive approaches. Just look what has happened to Monte Kiffen at USC & now at Dallas.

The scheme just allows too much cushion to receivers in off man & zone coverages. Receivers can run simple slants, quick screens or curls for easy yardage against these soft coverages. Most times these are the reasons for the 3rd & long conversions as well as the struggles against the 2 minute drill.

Chavis just like Kiffen, is extremely knowledgeable when it comes to this in's & out's of this scheme but the downfall with this is that it's all that they know. There is no versatility involved whatsoever.

Against today's offense's, defenses have to show versatility. Defenses have to show different looks to not only confuse quarterbacks but opposing O-Line's as well. You have to show multiple fronts & be able to use multiple personnel. It's the job of the coach to be able to evaluate player strengths & weaknesses & then put that player in positions to play to their strengths. It's a must that coaches try their best to not ask players to do things that they are weak at. I have saw none of this so far this season.

I really hate to use Bama as an example but I will since it is still fresh in everyone's memory. Offensively, the Tigers moved the ball at will against the Tide until late in the 3rd quarter. The only thing that stopped the offense at that point were themselves. Then in the 3rd, Bama began showing multiple looks upfront, stunting & bringing disguised blitzes. Just like I mentioned up top, it confused the O-Line causing pressure on Mett & penetration in the run game. Not only that, it allowed their athletes in their front 7 to be aggressive & loose.

Chavis just doesn't have that flexibility in his scheme. He's a great ambassador & a good coach but his scheme is fastly becoming outdated.

Lastly, I would like everyone that's pointing to lose of players to the draft to think about something. Last season when there was NFL talent on the defense, the defense still gave game changing & game winning points to Bama before the half & at the end of the game. They also allowed a 4th & long against Clemson as well as giving up yardage for the game winning field goal. We saw the same thing against Ole Miss this year. This has been a problem with or without talent. That obviously points to a flaw in the scheme.
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
24524 posts
Posted on 11/14/13 at 12:51 pm to
All good points, and like I said, I won't be surprised to see Chavis ride off into the sunset.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
162116 posts
Posted on 11/14/13 at 1:32 pm to
agreed on all fronts. I wouldn't mind if Chavis retires following this season
Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 11/14/13 at 1:39 pm to
Chavis' scheme is figured out.

It's not aggressive. It's bend don't break.

I really feel like you have to put pressure on a college qb
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
86147 posts
Posted on 11/14/13 at 1:43 pm to
I think its past the time for new faces. Chavis has stated tradition doesn't graduate. No but it bolted for the draft. You recruit he caliber player that can leave in 3 years. Why aren't they playing?
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 11/14/13 at 1:44 pm to
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They attacked welter. They isolated te's on him,

They did that to TM7 in the BCSNCG also...just saying

And when Bama dragged the TE across the middle, then he outran the entire secondasry to the end zone? Lamar was at mlb, so youre venom on Welter is wasted

LSU is where they are because of who we have recruited
Posted by Oyster
North Shore
Member since Feb 2009
10224 posts
Posted on 11/14/13 at 1:46 pm to
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Chavis is our lb guru right? It's time to majorly question his evaluation skills at this point IMO.


Rather arrogant position to take when you only watch games and have never been to practice or have any inside info. How can you even start to question Chavis with out all the info?
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
86147 posts
Posted on 11/14/13 at 1:47 pm to
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They also allowed a 4th & long against Clemson as well as giving up yardage for the game winning field goal. We saw the same thing against Ole Miss this year. This has been a problem with or without talent. That obviously points to a flaw in the scheme.


People were blaming the offense, but the truth is the d has been on a decline. Teams are running 80-90 plays cus the d can't get itself off the field. 3rd down struggles and defensive penalties has lost us 6 games.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20162 posts
Posted on 11/14/13 at 2:00 pm to
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BigBrod81


Very good post. The only thing I would add is that I think Chavis can be creative when he has some piece of D to anchor onto. My guess is he had hoped Ego/Freak would be that anchor. They haven't been. Hence, we play very vanilla and with little aggression.

BTW (not directed to BigBrod), the lack of improvement over the season has nothing to do with whom we lost to the NFL. It's relative to whom we didn't lose.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20162 posts
Posted on 11/14/13 at 2:02 pm to
From pg 2:
quote:

Chavis is has been coaching a loaded defense the past couple of years and now he does not have the talent to run what he normally runs and is still trying to figure it out.


We're through 10 games. He hasn't figured it out. For everything good one can say about Chavis, he gets an F as DC for '13. Still time to get a passing grade but there is (at least) one stiff test yet.

Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20162 posts
Posted on 11/14/13 at 2:13 pm to
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yeah, it's called Lane Kiffin wanted his own people in there


Correct - Tiger fans need to realize Chavis didn't get "fired" at UTenn. He was on Fulmer's staff. When Fulmer was fired and Kiffin hired, Kiffin brought his dad in as DC.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52264 posts
Posted on 11/14/13 at 2:14 pm to
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Chavis is has been coaching a loaded defense the past couple of years and now he does not have the talent to run what he normally runs


This! He was never the savior folks were making him out to be. Any tard on here could have coached that 2011 defense. Same is true of Cam; he's not a miracle worker. He just happened to step in at the right time when talent and experience came together.
Posted by OFWHAP
Member since Sep 2007
5416 posts
Posted on 11/14/13 at 3:27 pm to
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Correct - Tiger fans need to realize Chavis didn't get "fired" at UTenn. He was on Fulmer's staff. When Fulmer was fired and Kiffin hired, Kiffin brought his dad in as DC.


While I largely agree with this, it didn't appear that Tenn fans were sad to see Chavis go. In fact they were quite relieved. However you could say that's expected when your team's been sucking as of late.
Posted by RedTigerRulz
BFE
Member since Oct 2013
15317 posts
Posted on 11/14/13 at 3:33 pm to
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While I largely agree with this, it didn't appear that Tenn fans were sad to see Chavis go. In fact they were quite relieved.


Bingo!!
Posted by kbol34
Los Angeles, CA
Member since Mar 2013
583 posts
Posted on 11/14/13 at 3:42 pm to
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Elephant in the room


Alabama's mascot?
Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
Member since Sep 2010
20360 posts
Posted on 11/14/13 at 3:48 pm to
I'm not qualified but you are because you are knighting for Chavis? On that play, mills fricked up. He played zone, everyone was in man. The long td was mills' fault.

You gonna try to say chief is wise to keep stubbornly starting welter? It's beyond blaming the player. DJ is trying his hardest

Chief needs to gtfo
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20162 posts
Posted on 11/14/13 at 5:07 pm to
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While I largely agree with this, it didn't appear that Tenn fans were sad to see Chavis go. In fact they were quite relieved.


Chavis (as with most coordinators) is a mixed-bag. In certain contexts they look like brilliant (vs A&M last year and Oregon in '11) and in others dumbfounded (most of '13).

Crowton really looked like a wizard in '07 but rarely afterwards.

Kind of have to zoom-out and get a broader perspective. Chavis is a good DC but all of his weaknesses are on display this year. Our lack of D was a major player in losses to UGA/OM. Our inability to stop teams on their last possession is an ongoing issue.
Posted by 756
Member since Sep 2004
15772 posts
Posted on 11/14/13 at 6:10 pm to
Someone tell me why Welter is out there????
Posted by Kcrad
Diamondhead
Member since Nov 2010
65317 posts
Posted on 11/14/13 at 6:48 pm to
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Oh but he lines up our constantly confused defense. So there is that.




Simply put, a confused defense is a poorly coached defense. They have been confused since week 1.
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