The do we have talent or not argument can be explained simply

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The way to become a truly dominant program is to have elite depth. We probably easily win the UF and TAMU games if the drop off from our starters to backups was minimal.

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I'm not arguing, but asking honestly. Do you believe A&M or Florida has that elite depth? Or am I misinterpreting your point there? (Which is highly possible)

Eta: dumbass grammar

Fehoko is not elite. He is a good college player but far from elite

I agree with you that we do have some elite talent.

Here is my take on it. If you watched the LSU vs Bama game and didn't see a big difference in talent at every position on the field except the defensive backfield then you are blind. Florida, Auburn and Texas A&M all have equal talent to LSU and all 3 of those games were toss ups. I see Florida, LSU & A&M all getting better in the next few years with Auburn staying about the same. MS State was pretty close talent wise to us this year but I don't see that staying that way. I predict a decline at Moo St with the new coaching staff. Georgia had more talent than us this year and we upset them.

If you can't see any of this then take your Tiger shades off and come back to reality. I think this coaching staff will recruit better than the last coaching staff but let's see if they can put it together and make a run. The next 2 to 3 years should tell us what we need to know and if it doesn't improve then we make a change but give these guys a chance before throwing them under the bus.

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Stopping the exodus of juniors who aren't ready to go pro probably helps with depth

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Absolutely

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I'm not arguing, but asking honestly. Do you believe A&M or Florida has that elite depth?

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I posted this in another thread, but it’s relevant here as well: Since 2012, LSU averages a #7 class. Keep in mind that these classes have been much better defensively than offensively.

UF averages a #10 class, LSU is 4-3 against them. A&M averages a #12 class. LSU is 6-1 against them (not counting the Cotton Bowl because that was a previous recruiting class).

So the averages make sense to me. The closer those average recruiting rankings get, the more games will be toss-ups. People seem to think that the staff’s #1 job is to win all of your toss-up games. That may be true in the NFL where there’s much more talent parity. But in college the staff’s #1 job is to minimize toss-up games through recruiting.

Amen, top 5 recruiting classes every year which address all positions of needs is the only solution.

Yeah, I don't necessarily agree 100%, but at least the OP is written in a way that presents a discussion and not an immediate argument or attack. I think it's a solid post.

Are you under the impression that multiple schools have elite talent backing up elite talent? That's the case for one, MAYBE two, programs.

This was dumb.

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This is a huge part. Imagine how great our defense would be next year if Greedy Williams and Devin White return. We really need to start by limiting juniors leaving early.

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Obviously not what he's talking about

Think undrafted Kevin Tolliver could have helped our defensive depth this year? Those are the guys we're talking about.

With our offensive line injuries and problems at RT do you think undrafted Toby Weathersby would have helped?

If those 2 undrafted guys come back it might be an 11-1 season

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Amen, top 5 recruiting classes every year which address all positions of needs is only solution.

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You’re not going to get this at LSU. There is only 1 place where it has happened over a significant length of time. That should tell you (and the NCAA) all it needs to know about what is really going on at said program.

We would get bailed by the NCAA if we used those same tactics to land that kind of recruiting class every year.