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re: The day we "get on board" with hiring unqualified coaches is the day the program dies.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 8:25 am to BayouCowboy
Posted on 1/12/18 at 8:25 am to BayouCowboy
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The day, the program died
And we were singing
Bye, bye Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
And them good ole boys were drinking whiskey and rye
Singin' this'll be the day that I die
This'll be the day that I die
Even Curley Hallman didn't "kill" the program, and neither will Orgeron. But we've seen our program have to dig itself out of a deep and self inflicted hole before, and we've seen far greater programs than our become irrelevant for decades at a time. As much as we'd like to think it, we're not immune...and it's mind boggling how we seem so content on doing our best to make success in our league even harder by the moves we are making.
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Posted on 1/12/18 at 8:25 am to Rickdaddy4188
Was O's interim job a failure? Was last season a failure? And you know for sure next season will be a failure?
Oh, it's you...Never mind.
quote:
Rickdaddy4188
Oh, it's you...Never mind.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 8:52 am to Rickdaddy4188
All would be ok - GrandPa Pete would have just gotten a 5 year contract to be DC at LSU.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 10:10 am to Skillet
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Was O's interim job a failure?
so as long as he doesnt....
hire the staff
choose the scheme
run the defense
run the offense
he wont be failure?
being an interim coach isnt running a program.
quote:
Was last season a failure
52 4 and 5 star athletes
returning senior qb
all sec rb returning
easiest schedule in over 20 years
AND HE LOST 4 GAMES
quote:
Oh, it's you...Never mind.
yeah the poster that knew more football at age 9 than you ever will
Posted on 1/12/18 at 10:15 am to Skillet
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Was O's interim job a failure?
We didn't beat any good teams.
quote:frick yes
Was last season a failure?
quote:Based on the excuses the CheeriOs are already throwing out about the schedule and youth? Yea I feel pretty good about saying we won't win anything of significance next year.
And you know for sure next season will be a failure?
Posted on 1/12/18 at 11:20 am to Rickdaddy4188
well, it appears that there are not any fans "on board" with hiring unqualified coaches. there is some disagreement om who's qualified tho.
it also appears that we are just going to have to go with these coaches at least one more year. if it doesn't work out, I strongely believe we'll have a new AD to find the next coach.
I also believe that LSU does not need to paint itself in a corner by only trying to hire coach that has been successful on the top level. we took a chance with Saban, McClendon, Diesel, and Arnsbarger and they all worked out. we also need to start building a war chest cause the salary scale has escalated like hell.
it also appears that we are just going to have to go with these coaches at least one more year. if it doesn't work out, I strongely believe we'll have a new AD to find the next coach.
I also believe that LSU does not need to paint itself in a corner by only trying to hire coach that has been successful on the top level. we took a chance with Saban, McClendon, Diesel, and Arnsbarger and they all worked out. we also need to start building a war chest cause the salary scale has escalated like hell.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:54 pm to OU812
You're obviously utterly oblivious of what goes on inside the coaching staff. No wonder you hate O, you are a moron.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 1:57 pm to LSU GrandDad
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if it doesn't work out, I strongely believe we'll have a new AD to find the next coach.
Hope you’re right grandpa
Posted on 1/12/18 at 2:05 pm to LSU GrandDad
quote:Saban had success as HC at Toledo and Michigan State.
I also believe that LSU does not need to paint itself in a corner by only trying to hire coach that has been successful on the top level. we took a chance with Saban, McClendon, Diesel, and Arnsbarger and they all worked out.
I'm not so sure that McClendon "worked out." He was here 18 years (I grew up during those years so I witnessed it first-hand) and he was 60-41-3 in the SEC, won the SEC once, and finished 2nd twice. Three top-2 finishes in 18 years isn't my definition of success.
And I absolutely DO think we should only hire a proven HC. No more guess work - go find the best guy we can get who's had success before. No, we probably won't be able to pry the top 5-8 guys away from their current jobs, but the rest are attainable, for a price.
This post was edited on 1/12/18 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 1/12/18 at 2:29 pm to LSU GrandDad
LSU HAS a war chest, GrandDad. LSU is the fifth most valuable athletic department in the NCAA, per the Forbes article back in October. I keep harping on it, and don't see anyone else talking about it. IF college athletic departments were measured like other corporations, LSU athletics , thanks to football, would be worth $950,000,000 with only Ohio State, AlaBama, OU and Texas being more valuable.
TAF and the athletic program HAVE the money. These buyouts, while costly to us regular folk are still chump change to LSU athletics. There's no need to "settle" for a guy like Ed Orgeron. None. And the same for Steve Ensminger who has a successful resume as a football coach, overall, but not one where he got results.
Remember, this is a results-oriented business. Once you start striving for co-ordinator positions, and head coaching jobs, it's all about the results, final scores and end-of-the-season standings. Orgeron's and Ensminger's are all not of championship caliber when running their respective programs. Interim/caretaker jobs do not build programs, they just stop bleeding.
TAF and the athletic program HAVE the money. These buyouts, while costly to us regular folk are still chump change to LSU athletics. There's no need to "settle" for a guy like Ed Orgeron. None. And the same for Steve Ensminger who has a successful resume as a football coach, overall, but not one where he got results.
Remember, this is a results-oriented business. Once you start striving for co-ordinator positions, and head coaching jobs, it's all about the results, final scores and end-of-the-season standings. Orgeron's and Ensminger's are all not of championship caliber when running their respective programs. Interim/caretaker jobs do not build programs, they just stop bleeding.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 2:36 pm to Rickdaddy4188
You guys are so damn dramatic. Y’all act like this some kind of religious crusade. Y’all need to gain a bit of perspective.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 2:44 pm to Rickdaddy4188
You mean like Stud and Scameron
Posted on 1/12/18 at 2:46 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:
im sorry but its true. no fan should ever be ok with the AD hiring or promoting unqualified coaches.
I agree.....but all of that blame needs to fall squarely on the ADs shoulders...no where else.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 2:53 pm to GeauxTigerTM
No, you’re absolutely wrong. Ensminger has over thirty years of offensive coaching experience under his belt, which is why O made him interim OC after Miles and Cameron were fired.
Meanwhile, Ensminger took Miles’ old antiquated playbook, not Ensminger’s playbook, and had one of the best offensive seasons ever in LSU history. While complaining the whole time that the other teams knew the plays coming before the snap simply because of the formations he was forced to use. Which he changed up as much as he possibly could.
Saying that not one team wanted him as an OC, is analogous to that perpetual moron and Les Miles’ professional apologizer Rickdaddy erroneously claiming that O is unqualified to be the LSU head coach because no one hired him as a DC. Well, the reason those guys weren’t hired for those positions is that neither one of them wanted the job to begin with. However, it certainly doesn’t mean they weren’t very unqualified.
To the contrary, O did a damn good job as the interim head coach at USC and at LSU and also in his first season as the LSU head coach. Not to mention, that his recruiting has also been excellent as well.
Meanwhile, Ensminger, who hadn’t been an OC in many years, also did an outstanding job when O made him the interim OC. Why, because they were both very qualified to do their respective jobs, regardless of their previous positions.
Furthermore, what most people don’t understand is that O, Aranda, and Ensminger are a ban of brothers. As all three of them are the best of friends and O never makes a football decision affecting the team without running it through both of those guys first because he respects and trusts their opinions immensely.
So, when Aranda told O that Ensminger is a better play caller than Canada is, and he ought to know since he schemed against the both of them every day in practice, and because O respects and trusts Ensminger immensely, that’s when O decided he was going to make Ensminger his new OC after Canada didn’t work out.
To me, that’s the way it should be. If I were a head coach, I’d want the coaches I respected and trusted the most on my staff to be my two coordinators too. So that’s what O is doing and I personally think it will be a good decision for him. It’s not just O who is saying Ensminger is the best person for the job, it’s Aranda too.
There are also rumors that Ensminger called the plays in the Texas AM game, and that’s when LSU had by far its best offensive outing of the season, as Etling had over 300 yards passing in that game.
Not to mention, that Ensminger went out and signed the best wide receiver in the country the other day. What did Canada do? Nothing.
Meanwhile, Ensminger took Miles’ old antiquated playbook, not Ensminger’s playbook, and had one of the best offensive seasons ever in LSU history. While complaining the whole time that the other teams knew the plays coming before the snap simply because of the formations he was forced to use. Which he changed up as much as he possibly could.
Saying that not one team wanted him as an OC, is analogous to that perpetual moron and Les Miles’ professional apologizer Rickdaddy erroneously claiming that O is unqualified to be the LSU head coach because no one hired him as a DC. Well, the reason those guys weren’t hired for those positions is that neither one of them wanted the job to begin with. However, it certainly doesn’t mean they weren’t very unqualified.
To the contrary, O did a damn good job as the interim head coach at USC and at LSU and also in his first season as the LSU head coach. Not to mention, that his recruiting has also been excellent as well.
Meanwhile, Ensminger, who hadn’t been an OC in many years, also did an outstanding job when O made him the interim OC. Why, because they were both very qualified to do their respective jobs, regardless of their previous positions.
Furthermore, what most people don’t understand is that O, Aranda, and Ensminger are a ban of brothers. As all three of them are the best of friends and O never makes a football decision affecting the team without running it through both of those guys first because he respects and trusts their opinions immensely.
So, when Aranda told O that Ensminger is a better play caller than Canada is, and he ought to know since he schemed against the both of them every day in practice, and because O respects and trusts Ensminger immensely, that’s when O decided he was going to make Ensminger his new OC after Canada didn’t work out.
To me, that’s the way it should be. If I were a head coach, I’d want the coaches I respected and trusted the most on my staff to be my two coordinators too. So that’s what O is doing and I personally think it will be a good decision for him. It’s not just O who is saying Ensminger is the best person for the job, it’s Aranda too.
There are also rumors that Ensminger called the plays in the Texas AM game, and that’s when LSU had by far its best offensive outing of the season, as Etling had over 300 yards passing in that game.
Not to mention, that Ensminger went out and signed the best wide receiver in the country the other day. What did Canada do? Nothing.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 3:03 pm to Rebel
quote:
You omitted going 6-2 as IHC at USC. You omitted going 6-2 at IHC at LSU.
Saying interim coaching = coaching as the permanent guy is like saying babysitting = parenting.
This post was edited on 1/12/18 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 1/12/18 at 3:08 pm to Rebel
quote:
You omitted going 6-2 as IHC at USC.
You omitted going 6-2 at IHC at LSU.
With losses to UCLA
and a shitty Florida team . Wow! What a performance!
Posted on 1/12/18 at 3:10 pm to Rickdaddy4188
It killed Dinardo that's for sure
Posted on 1/12/18 at 3:13 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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hasn't been a full time OC in 20 years and wasn't even all that great even when he was
So that means somehow he is unqualified? He wasn't an OC because he didn't want to be an OC. Just like O wasn't a DC because he didn't want to be a DC. Nonetheless, because of his over thirty years of coaching on the offensive side of the ball, coach O made him the interim OC and what did he do with Les Mile's antiquated playbook? LSU had one of its most prolific seasons on offense ever.
Meanwhile, Aranda, who is a pretty good judge of OCs, says that Ensminger is a better play caller than Canada, and he ought to know since he schemed against both of them every day.
So since O trusts and respects Aranda and Ensminger immensely, O decided to make Ensminger his new OC after firing Canada.
Not to mention, that there is a rumor that Ensminger also called the plays in the A&M game, and that's when LSU had its best offensive outing of the season, as Etling passed for over 300 yards in that game.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 3:17 pm to Space Cowboy
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O, Aranda and Ensminger are a ban of brothers.
Hey Space Clownboy, what the frick is a "ban of brothers" and what's it got to do with the coaching staff?
In two separate posts you posted "ban of brothers" and I'm wondering if you realize your misspelling one of these words. But, since you're the one posting this stuff, I'll just chalk it up to you being a knucklehead as usual.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 3:18 pm to Skillet
quote:
Was O's interim job a failure? Was last season a failure? And you know for sure next season will be a failure?
quote: Rickdaddy4188
Oh, it's you...Never mind.
That's hilarious, LOL
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