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The cost of announcing the coordinator meeting
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:28 am
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:28 am
The entire premise - 'well documented in the media premise' - of O's hire is reliance on top flight coordinators. By announcing the meeting yesterday O/Alleva have torpedoed any chance for Canada/Aranda to save face. If the losses continue O/Alleva wil pin it on them. The meeting will serve as a "we (O/Alleva) tried to fix it. Its on them" moment. If things turn around O/Alleva will 100% take all the credit. "Had to straighten those guys out", "Just think if we hadn't called them in" will be the talking points. The only conceivable reason to go down this path is because they know somebody is leaving. The obvious guess is Canada. So it's December and O is looking for an OC. Canada is pulling $1.5 mil? Even the most mildly ambitious coach will demand more money. $1.8 - $2 mil plus a hefty buyout is a real possibility.
Ironically, this all adds to O's job security. His buyout will be more palatable in 2018. He has to get the total cost of firing everyone as high as he can to secure 2018. It's free insurance for him. I have to give O credit. As a money making scheme it's brilliant. If by some miracle he starts winning O will demand a kings ransom for himself & staff. He will hold LSU hostage with a "I took a cheap salary now you have to pay or I'm gone " attitude. The only option is to cut Alleva now and let his replacement cut O.
Ironically, this all adds to O's job security. His buyout will be more palatable in 2018. He has to get the total cost of firing everyone as high as he can to secure 2018. It's free insurance for him. I have to give O credit. As a money making scheme it's brilliant. If by some miracle he starts winning O will demand a kings ransom for himself & staff. He will hold LSU hostage with a "I took a cheap salary now you have to pay or I'm gone " attitude. The only option is to cut Alleva now and let his replacement cut O.
This post was edited on 10/5/17 at 9:30 am
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Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:40 am to jonboy
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By announcing the meeting yesterday O/Alleva have torpedoed any chance for Canada/Aranda to save face. If the losses continue O/Alleva wil pin it on them. The meeting will serve as a "we (O/Alleva) tried to fix it. Its on them"
This doesn't make sense to me at all. You've drawn a poor conclusion.
The cost of announcing that meeting was that it gives an appearance that:
1. Orgeron can't run the program himself and needed the AD to step in with his coordinators.
2. Alleva is in meeting he absolutely has no business being in
3. There is some internal strife between Orgeron and the coordinators that needs to be addressed.
All of those issues are DEFCON 1 type of issues.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:42 am to jonboy
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:43 am to moneyg
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This doesn't make sense to me at all. You've drawn a poor conclusion.
The cost of announcing that meeting was that it gives an appearance that:
1. Orgeron can't run the program himself and needed the AD to step in with his coordinators.
2. Alleva is in meeting he absolutely has no business being in
3. There is some internal strife between Orgeron and the coordinators that needs to be addressed.
All of those issues are DEFCON 1 type of issues.
Agreed...at least that was how that read to me when it was reported.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:44 am to jonboy
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By announcing the meeting yesterday O/Alleva have torpedoed any chance for Canada/Aranda to save face. If the losses continue O/Alleva wil pin it on them. The meeting will serve as a "we (O/Alleva) tried to fix it. Its on them" moment.
Everything Orgeron has done in the last 3 months, or so, has been to ensure that there was someone else to blame for all the issues the team is facing.
I'll give credit where it's due, Orgeron is great at manipulating people.
This post was edited on 10/5/17 at 9:46 am
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:45 am to moneyg
quote:maybe, maybe not. O may have brought them in to let them verify there is no internal strife. Maybe they actually asked O to take them with him. Maybe Joe insisted. O saying it was O's idea doesn't prove anything.
1. Orgeron can't run the program himself and needed the AD to step in with his coordinators.
2. Alleva is in meeting he absolutely has no business being in
3. There is some internal strife between Orgeron and the coordinators that needs to be addressed.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:46 am to jonboy
O is not going anywhere unless we fire him. No one will come knocking on his door.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:48 am to Diver
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No one will come knocking on his door.
maybe joe shoulda thought of this before hiring him AND giving a buyout.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:49 am to moneyg
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The cost of announcing that meeting was that it gives an appearance that:
1. Orgeron can't run the program himself and needed the AD to step in with his coordinators.
2. Alleva is in meeting he absolutely has no business being in
3. There is some internal strife between Orgeron and the coordinators that needs to be addressed.
All of those issues are DEFCON 1 type of issues.
that's called panic...these fools added to their Tsunami of a PR disaster by letting their fans, the Media, and most importantly, THOSE TEAMS THAT ACTIVELY RECRUIT AGAINST YOU THAT YOUR PROGRAM IS IN DISARRAY.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:51 am to jonboy
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He will hold LSU hostage with a "I took a cheap salary now you have to pay or I'm gone " attitude. The only option is to cut Alleva now and let his replacement cut O.
If only we were so lucky. Orgeron can't bluff his way into a bigger contract. Either he wins or he loses. That is the metric for LSU Coaching.
LSU AD and BOS would love a "Do Over" in my opinion and would help him pack.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:52 am to jonboy
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He will hold LSU hostage with a "I took a cheap salary now you have to pay or I'm gone " attitude.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:52 am to RB10
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I'll give credit where it's due, Orgeron is great at manipulating people.
Ultimately an irrelevant skill.
You can't manipulate the win/loss record. 3-2 with a loss to Troy and a 30 point blowout loss to Miss State simply won't cut it.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:53 am to OchoDedos
Eh at this point I hope we go down in flames for a long time. Like Vanderbuilt level for years. It would serve all of you negative pussies that root against us week in week out right.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:56 am to moneyg
The difference between you and I is that I don't believe O is an honest broker.There is literally no rational reason for taking it to the media other than a future where O/Alleva can take credit or blame someone else.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:58 am to moneyg
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The cost of announcing that meeting was that it gives an appearance that: 1. Orgeron can't run the program himself and needed the AD to step in with his coordinators. 2. Alleva is in meeting he absolutely has no business being in 3. There is some internal strife between Orgeron and the coordinators that needs to be addressed. All of those issues are DEFCON 1 type of issues.
Agree it's say's -
-we don't know what the hell we're doing
-we know we don't know what the hell we are doing
-we are panic stricken by this
-we have no idea how to turn it around
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:58 am to jonboy
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. By announcing the meeting yesterday O/Alleva have torpedoed any chance for Canada/Aranda to save face. If the losses continue O/Alleva wil pin it on them. The meeting will serve as a "we (O/Alleva) tried to fix it. Its on them" moment
I think 100% they have a hand in this clusterfrick. Poor tackling, missed assignments, dropped balls, etc. You can only coach so much but the players need to BE READY TO PLAY and they haven't been.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:58 am to jonboy
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a future where O/Alleva can take credit or blame someone else.
So who earns the blame? Like he "earned" HC.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:59 am to RB10
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Orgeron is great at manipulating people.
only the weak minded. anyone with a brain can see through this guy.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 10:00 am to RuLSU
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Ultimately an irrelevant skill.
It got him $3.5 million a year and $12 million guaranteed.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 10:04 am to NimbleCat
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Orgeron can't bluff his way into a bigger contract. Either he wins or he loses.
He bluffed his way into the one he has now.
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