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The ceo model for HC is not sustainable
Posted on 9/24/21 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 9/24/21 at 1:45 pm
Coordinators leave every couple of years
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Posted on 9/24/21 at 1:50 pm to saturncube21
quote:Everyone says this, but I don’t think it’s as cut and dry as that. I think a good hc is a good hc. If you can run a program properly, you can run a program properly. If you can’t, you can’t.
The ceo model for HC is not sustainable
I don’t think it’s about the model. I think it’s about the guy running it.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 1:51 pm to saturncube21
Wait what?
Has this been discussed yet?!?!?
Has this been discussed yet?!?!?
Posted on 9/24/21 at 1:51 pm to saturncube21
Clemson??? Worked out pretty well for them.
This post was edited on 9/24/21 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 9/24/21 at 1:52 pm to saturncube21
Imo, it **can** be sustainable--but the CEO has to *really* be a CEO. They have to be able to competently build every single last aspect of the program to become a well-oiled machine.
It can't be a situation where you're feeling around in the dark every time a coordinator leaves. You need to reach a point where (1) you're well respected enough to have a high chance of landing the best guy reasonably on the market in any given year, AND (2) IF you miss, you have an up-and-coming stud on staff that has a reasonable chance to fill the shoes.
In other words, if you're going to follow the CEO model, it isn't enough to have star coordinators--you have to cultivate stars at *every* level: you need star coordinators, down to star position coaches, down to star analysts.
Every aspect of the program needs to be a well-oiled machine. It's more than just hitting on coordinator hires.
Coach o seems to be incapable of achieving either of these.
It can't be a situation where you're feeling around in the dark every time a coordinator leaves. You need to reach a point where (1) you're well respected enough to have a high chance of landing the best guy reasonably on the market in any given year, AND (2) IF you miss, you have an up-and-coming stud on staff that has a reasonable chance to fill the shoes.
In other words, if you're going to follow the CEO model, it isn't enough to have star coordinators--you have to cultivate stars at *every* level: you need star coordinators, down to star position coaches, down to star analysts.
Every aspect of the program needs to be a well-oiled machine. It's more than just hitting on coordinator hires.
Coach o seems to be incapable of achieving either of these.
This post was edited on 9/24/21 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 9/24/21 at 1:54 pm to saturncube21
Not if you are capable of making at the worst decent hires. O has shown he is incapable of making coordinator hires. Every hire from outside the building had been a failure with the jury out on the recent two. He lucked into Brady.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 1:57 pm to saturncube21
We know.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:02 pm to abellsujr
quote:
Everyone says this, but I don’t think it’s as cut and dry as that. I think a good hc is a good hc. If you can run a program properly, you can run a program properly. If you can’t, you can’t. I don’t think it’s about the model. I think it’s about the guy running it.
Dabo is the only one so far that's had consistent success.
Pittman at Arkansas and Cristobal at Oregon are the only other 2 I can think of but both are still getting started so I guess we'll see once they have coordinators leaving.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:03 pm to saturncube21
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The ceo model for HC
which model exactly?
Chief Executive or Coonass Ed?
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:05 pm to Chad504boy
Fishing Camp model - it’s relatively new and groundbreaking for a head coach of a major program.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:06 pm to saturncube21
Thread number quadrillion on the topic
Get original or stop posting
Get original or stop posting
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:08 pm to elcid
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Fishing Camp model - it’s relatively new and groundbreaking for a head coach of a major program.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:12 pm to Magician2
Right.
I also think eventually coaches become CEOs only. Their philosophy becomes outdated. Like Jimbo, Leach. So it’s no longer about their philosophy, it’s about their ability to learn and alter their philosophy if needed. At least when it comes to xs and os. Sustainability requires that along with everything else. Structure, culture, evaluation, etc. If you can do it, you can do it. If you can’t, you can’t.
I also think eventually coaches become CEOs only. Their philosophy becomes outdated. Like Jimbo, Leach. So it’s no longer about their philosophy, it’s about their ability to learn and alter their philosophy if needed. At least when it comes to xs and os. Sustainability requires that along with everything else. Structure, culture, evaluation, etc. If you can do it, you can do it. If you can’t, you can’t.
This post was edited on 9/24/21 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:12 pm to Ptguru21
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Clemson??? Worked out pretty well for them.
Everyone says this just because Dabo was never a DC or OC but since Clemson has gone on their run he's had 3 OC's and 1 DC. He hit the jackpot with Venebale in 2012. He had Chad Morris as OC for 3 years. Then he made Jeff Scott and Tony Elliot Co-OC's up until last year when Scott left to become the HC @ South Florida.
The big difference is Dabo has been surrounded by HIS guys that share the same philosophy. O had no clue WTF he wants to do on either side of the ball. He doesn't have a "Coach O scheme" so he can't hire coaches to run it.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:13 pm to saturncube21
it is if you know how to talk X's and O's to people to know if you are hiring the correct Coordinators
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:29 pm to saturncube21
It’s not sustainable for O cuz he can’t identify, hire, and/or relinquish control to good coordinators.
It would work if O could identify the best coordinators, could convince them to come coach at LSU, and then let them run their systems to their fullest.
The issues I see is that O is trying to tell coordinators to run “the Brady system” on O and an “attacking 4-3” on defense. When you put these criteria up, they narrow the pool of potential candidates greatly.
We basically had to hire either a former Saints coach or a coach that currently worked for Brady on offense. And on defense we basically cut out the top candidates cuz they didn’t run a 4-3.
It would work if O could identify the best coordinators, could convince them to come coach at LSU, and then let them run their systems to their fullest.
The issues I see is that O is trying to tell coordinators to run “the Brady system” on O and an “attacking 4-3” on defense. When you put these criteria up, they narrow the pool of potential candidates greatly.
We basically had to hire either a former Saints coach or a coach that currently worked for Brady on offense. And on defense we basically cut out the top candidates cuz they didn’t run a 4-3.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:30 pm to Solo Cam
Last time before Quint sings.
Ed Orgeron does not have the Organizational, Management and Critical Decision Making requirements to keep a program at an Elite Championship Level in the Southeastern Conference on a consistent basis.
Nuff said!
The CEO Model works for Pump Lumps, Mediocrity Acceptors, (MA's) their dumber cousins. (MAMM's-Mediocrity Accepting Mental Morons) program cheerleaders/worshippers/idolizer types and all the Luzianner Lifer "One of Us" brigade that's only interested in the game this week. (Who bringin da Alcohol and da Gumbo dis week Cher)
They can't see and/or don't see the Bigger Picture. (Many examples of this every day of the Rant)
Ed Orgeron does not have the Organizational, Management and Critical Decision Making requirements to keep a program at an Elite Championship Level in the Southeastern Conference on a consistent basis.
Nuff said!
The CEO Model works for Pump Lumps, Mediocrity Acceptors, (MA's) their dumber cousins. (MAMM's-Mediocrity Accepting Mental Morons) program cheerleaders/worshippers/idolizer types and all the Luzianner Lifer "One of Us" brigade that's only interested in the game this week. (Who bringin da Alcohol and da Gumbo dis week Cher)
They can't see and/or don't see the Bigger Picture. (Many examples of this every day of the Rant)
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:32 pm to saturncube21
This would be OK if he knew how to make decent hires. He’s blown every hire except Brady, who seems to have been Ensminger’s doing.
The dude is a quack. Charlatan. In over his head. Play the freshmen so we can have a loaded team next year, and don’t prolong the inevitable.
Doesn’t have to be Saban. Even with a decent coach, you’ve seen what we can do with a shrimp boat captain and Les Miles. We WILL win a national championship with our next coach if they’re even above average.
The dude is a quack. Charlatan. In over his head. Play the freshmen so we can have a loaded team next year, and don’t prolong the inevitable.
Doesn’t have to be Saban. Even with a decent coach, you’ve seen what we can do with a shrimp boat captain and Les Miles. We WILL win a national championship with our next coach if they’re even above average.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:34 pm to Ptguru21
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Clemson??? Worked out pretty well for them.
Except Dabo was an offensive coach and knows concepts. O knows push push push and nothing else.
Posted on 9/24/21 at 2:46 pm to saturncube21
The ceo model is sustainable, but CEO isn’t sustainable.
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