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re: The Case to reduce Present Bowl System
Posted on 12/30/25 at 11:49 am to tzimme4
Posted on 12/30/25 at 11:49 am to tzimme4
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No P5 team is going to willingly play a bowl game to start the season. This is the dumbest thing to come out of this bowl situation.
P5 teams have routinely played "bowl" games to start the season. We call them "Kickoff Classics." LSU played in two recently against FSU. Bama played in one for something like 10 years straight and it didn't hurt their chances of winning a national championship, mostly because they won all of them.
What could be different would be to not have the bowl location or opponent pre-determined for years in advance. That would be an interesting change.
GEAUX TIGERS!
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Posted on 12/30/25 at 12:05 pm to Poppy201
People bitching about the number of bowl games are ridiculous. Doesn't matter who goes to the games. If they weren't profitable they would exist. Attendance has nothing to do with it.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 12:08 pm to Poppy201
I like football. Hate to see the season end.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 12:38 pm to Tiger Prawn
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There were 2 bowl games in a 12,000 seat stadium in Frisco
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And neither game came anywhere close to filling that small stadium. 6500 attendance for one game
TV numbers not released yet for the 2025 game, but the 2024 game had 1.2 million viewers.
all of the non-playoffs bowl games aired on ESPN in 2024 season averaged 1.9 million viewers.
ESPN's highest rated program that isn't a live event (games, gamed, etc.) averages around 350k viewers.
so even a meaningless bowl played in a small stadium between two teams nobody gives a shite about still QUADRUPLES the viewership of the networks best just TV show type thing they could air in that spot.
even the absolute lowest rated bowl of the 2024 season drew an audience of 567k viewers (bout 1.5 times the size of their regular TV show audience).
Posted on 12/30/25 at 1:10 pm to Poppy201
Why the frick should I care?
I didn’t feel like watching any bowl games and guess what? I didn’t, except for LSU.
But I’m glad they’re there if I want to watch them.
I didn’t feel like watching any bowl games and guess what? I didn’t, except for LSU.
But I’m glad they’re there if I want to watch them.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 2:29 pm to Poppy201
They still make money as the sponsors pay a crap ton.
You don’t eliminate any. You create rivalries. No bowl has any conference ties. Each bowl is ranked and the best top bowl gets top “rivalry” like if Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are in bowls not CFP they play each other. Pair the closest two top teams.
You don’t eliminate any. You create rivalries. No bowl has any conference ties. Each bowl is ranked and the best top bowl gets top “rivalry” like if Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are in bowls not CFP they play each other. Pair the closest two top teams.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 2:40 pm to Tiger Prawn
You know I was a fan of week 0 bowls but you changed my mind with this
frick the bowls. Move to a conference "challenge" model similar to basketball. Let the SEC and Big 10 play each other and Big 12 play the ACC. Play them on campus and alternate home/away teams. Since it's week 0 you can play them throughout the week to avoid
And to everyone saying that colleges won't do it bc the easiest path to the playoffs is playing nobodies in nonconference, I think the committee will adjust. They'll be forced to when half the P4 has a loss in week 1. Right now it's unbalanced because so many teams avoid big games but this way it'll be more even across the board and easier to rank teams across different conferences
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it robs the fans of having quality OOC games on campus and of having opportunities for bucket list road trips to experience some of the historically great college football traditions around the country.
frick the bowls. Move to a conference "challenge" model similar to basketball. Let the SEC and Big 10 play each other and Big 12 play the ACC. Play them on campus and alternate home/away teams. Since it's week 0 you can play them throughout the week to avoid
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so many marquee games all going on at the same time.
And to everyone saying that colleges won't do it bc the easiest path to the playoffs is playing nobodies in nonconference, I think the committee will adjust. They'll be forced to when half the P4 has a loss in week 1. Right now it's unbalanced because so many teams avoid big games but this way it'll be more even across the board and easier to rank teams across different conferences
Posted on 12/30/25 at 2:57 pm to josh336
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espns tv viewership is probably better than their regular programming when showing these bowls, so it prob outweighs the expense in alot of cases
This is pretty short sighted. You're not accounting for the opportunity cost that an alternative would bring in if people actually found it entertaining.
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you dont like it, dont watch.
Again the problem is more about the alternatives that we are missing out on in favor of this outdated system. We're cfb fans. "Don't watch" doesn't help the fact that we want exciting cfb games to watch instead of these shitty bowl games
Posted on 12/30/25 at 3:02 pm to Yeti_Chaser
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This is pretty short sighted. You're not accounting for the opportunity cost that an alternative would bring in if people actually found it entertaining.
what alternative are you proposing on a random weeknight in late December?
Posted on 12/30/25 at 3:08 pm to Poppy201
Its completely misleading to have this discussion about low game attendance at bowl games outside the playoff system until the Independence Bowl is played in Shreveport.
That game is tomorrow.
Get those numbers and try to make the argument that these bowls are not hugely attended, Mister!
That game is tomorrow.
Get those numbers and try to make the argument that these bowls are not hugely attended, Mister!
Posted on 12/30/25 at 3:09 pm to Poppy201
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The tv viewership has to be in line with these pitiful numbers except the 2 games mentioned above.
Still better than WNBA
Posted on 12/30/25 at 3:13 pm to Nutriaitch
See my post above. But there's been several ideas mentioned in this thread that would all be better than what we currently have
Posted on 12/30/25 at 3:36 pm to Poppy201
When there is a conference rematch
And one team is 5-7
Signs that there are too many bowls
And one team is 5-7
Signs that there are too many bowls
Posted on 12/30/25 at 3:41 pm to tzimme4
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o P5 team is going to willingly play a bowl game to start the season
They will if all are doing it. The idea is to make a kickoff classic style game to open the season for everyone, based on a fair matchup created by the conferences in conjunction with the teams.
Moving it to the start of the season allows all teams, not just some, to have the game. And you open up more (read northern) venues.
Who wouldnt want to see Michigan vs Texas at Lambeau field one year?
Posted on 12/30/25 at 4:26 pm to Yeti_Chaser
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See my post above
your post above suggested moving them to week 0.
so what are you going tp out on TV in place of the bowl games in December?
ESPN is carrying 17 non-playoff bowl games.
they average just under 2million viewers each (with some getting significantly more than that).
there is literally not a single thing ESPN has the rights to that they can put on in those time slots that will come anywhere remotely close to those viewership numbers.
the NFL isn't going to play games on random Tuesdays and Wednesdays starting in early afternoon some of those days.
they only have rights to Wednesday night for the NBA regular season.
so what will they put on in those time slots?
something that won't even draw 2/3 the amount of viewers as the least watched bowls?
Tennessee vs Illinois and USC vs TCU tonight are both "meaningless" games.
same with 4 of the 5 bowl games being played tomorrow.
would you rather watch (at least) one of those 6 games tonight and tomorrow or the 5:00 Sportscaster on repeat?
Posted on 12/30/25 at 4:26 pm to jcole4lsu
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The idea is to make a kickoff classic style game to open the season for everyone
They already have that, it's called Week Zero with sponsorships.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 4:28 pm to jcole4lsu
Michigan and Texas aren't going to agree on a opmer that the bowl committee "sets"
It's so dumb and teams are discontinuing these season opening games because it doesn't help you. Texas is in the 12 team playoff this year if they don't play Ohio State. Same with Notre Dame.
It's so dumb and teams are discontinuing these season opening games because it doesn't help you. Texas is in the 12 team playoff this year if they don't play Ohio State. Same with Notre Dame.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 4:35 pm to jcole4lsu
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hey will if all are doing it. The idea is to make a kickoff classic style game to open the season for everyone, based on a fair matchup created by the conferences in conjunction with the teams.
then the game has to count toward the season and making the playoffs.
so it's not a "bowl" we're just making the regular season 1 game longer
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Moving it to the start of the season allows all teams, not just some, to have the game.
so it has nothing to do with last year's team?
not a "bowl" game, literally just a regular season game?
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Who wouldnt want to see Michigan vs Texas at Lambeau field one year?
fans of both schools that would overwhelmingly prefer to schedule a home and home on the campuses instead of playing in a lifeless NFL Stadium that's 7 hours from one school and almost 20 hours from the other.
when LSU played at Lambeau back in 2016, I didn't go (in hindsight, I'm glad I didn't
) but had that game been at Camp Randall in Madison, bet your arse I would have made that trip.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 5:54 pm to jcole4lsu
Pick any topic related to college football. Portal. NIL. Rev sharing. Bowl. NONE of it is geared toward the average fan. Its all about $$$. So don't expect any average fan related issues to be taken into consideration and certainly not to "fix" the present bowl system. If that system generates the money it will remain as is.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 6:01 pm to Nutriaitch
Just play another regular season game if you're going to get rid of the bowl games. Or add a round to the playoffs, play-in games, etc. This isn't hard. There's tons of options. I'm not advocating for removing a game from the season. Just replace the bowls with something more meaningful. They'll make more money with an extra week of meaningful games in late August than they do on these bowl games, especially if they space some of them out during the week. And BTW, all they have to show on TV at that time is MLB that no one really cares about until October. And an extra round of games probably means a 2nd bye week for teams to play another week into december
As far as what to show during late December, just move the playoffs up. Or you could even do a G5 playoff/bowl series/some sort of all-star series that would draw equal attention to these bowls in December. People would love to see the G5 all stars that will be transferring up all on the field at once. And they'd make more money from the Week 0 conference challenge anyway
As far as what to show during late December, just move the playoffs up. Or you could even do a G5 playoff/bowl series/some sort of all-star series that would draw equal attention to these bowls in December. People would love to see the G5 all stars that will be transferring up all on the field at once. And they'd make more money from the Week 0 conference challenge anyway
This post was edited on 12/30/25 at 6:13 pm
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