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re: The bigger injustice is the scheduling
Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:08 am to jbraua
Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:08 am to jbraua
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I actually like our schedule. Gives us the better resume, and makes us the more seasoned team when Alabama rolls around. Bottom line is, if we are the better team, it shouldn't be a problem. The greater the challenge, the greater the reward. Also, over the next few years we're going to be getting even better.
Well while you are enjoying the tough schedule, Bama is cruising through their cupcake schedule to another playoff, and then will follow it up by cherry picking the best recruits out of LA.
Don't get me wrong, I like the big matchups too. This season has been a blast with all the big games. I just wish other teams (Bama) would have to play a few tough teams every now and then, and maybe LSU would catch a break one year like Bama does almost every year.
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Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:09 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
the schedules are made by Mark Womack, and never in a million years will you guess where he went to college. dont even try, youll never get it.
"...Womack, an Alabama graduate ... has been the right-hand man to the last four SEC commissioners, serving several times as interim commissioner. His areas of expertise are TV and bowl negotiations, and football scheduling." - nola.com
ok now try and guess where he was born and raised? this one is another toughie, Im not going easy on you today.
"Womack grew up in Tuscaloosa, Alabama and attended Tuscaloosa High school where he was a three-year starter at quarterback, leading his team to the semifinals of the state championship his senior year."
"...Womack, an Alabama graduate ... has been the right-hand man to the last four SEC commissioners, serving several times as interim commissioner. His areas of expertise are TV and bowl negotiations, and football scheduling." - nola.com
ok now try and guess where he was born and raised? this one is another toughie, Im not going easy on you today.
"Womack grew up in Tuscaloosa, Alabama and attended Tuscaloosa High school where he was a three-year starter at quarterback, leading his team to the semifinals of the state championship his senior year."
This post was edited on 10/25/18 at 9:40 am
Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:11 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
Is anyone else tired of this pathetic argument?
If you want to blame anyone for this "injustice", blame Tennessee. Historically, Tennessee is the second winningest program in SEC history. It just so happens that the complete collapse of their program coincides with Bama's rise. Tenn. has been on a complete downward trajectory since winning the East in 2007. But do you know what Tennessee's record vs. Bama was between 1992 (the year the SEC was split into divisions) and 2007>? 10-4-1
Florida, on the other hand, was no where close to being a national or even SEC power until just before the split in 1992 (the year "permanent cross-division rivals were assigned). Prior to 1992 Florida had won exactly TWO SEC titles....ever. LSU had won two just in the 80's alone. Even though Florida had just started to become a powerhouse when the split occurred, Tennessee was still far and away the historically better program. Who could have imagined that starting in 2008 the program would completely crash?
As far as the rotating SEC East opponent is concerned, starting next season LSU plays at Vandy ('19), home vs. South Carolina ('20), at Kentucky ('21)
Bama plays at South Carolina ('19), home vs. Georgia ('20) and at Florida ('21)
Are we going to have this same stupid discussion next year?
If you want to blame anyone for this "injustice", blame Tennessee. Historically, Tennessee is the second winningest program in SEC history. It just so happens that the complete collapse of their program coincides with Bama's rise. Tenn. has been on a complete downward trajectory since winning the East in 2007. But do you know what Tennessee's record vs. Bama was between 1992 (the year the SEC was split into divisions) and 2007>? 10-4-1
Florida, on the other hand, was no where close to being a national or even SEC power until just before the split in 1992 (the year "permanent cross-division rivals were assigned). Prior to 1992 Florida had won exactly TWO SEC titles....ever. LSU had won two just in the 80's alone. Even though Florida had just started to become a powerhouse when the split occurred, Tennessee was still far and away the historically better program. Who could have imagined that starting in 2008 the program would completely crash?
As far as the rotating SEC East opponent is concerned, starting next season LSU plays at Vandy ('19), home vs. South Carolina ('20), at Kentucky ('21)
Bama plays at South Carolina ('19), home vs. Georgia ('20) and at Florida ('21)
Are we going to have this same stupid discussion next year?
Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:13 am to Icansee4miles
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Since the Alabama/SEC scheduling department ensures they never have to play UGA during the regular season
Alabama played Georgia in 2007, 2008, and 2015. 2 of those 3 being in Athens. They will play again in 2020.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:13 am to Alt26
The midget loves him a cream puff scheduled every year! He loves him some Vandy, Missouri & Ky.& Tenn.! 
Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:14 am to LSURulzSEC
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The permanent cross division opponents has got to go...
Or add another cross division matchup.
Take away a Southeastern/LaTech/Rice and play another SECe team. We should be rotating through our conference more than once every 6 years. It's pathetic that a 4 year player doesn't get to play the entire SEC.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:14 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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Now do how many has each team played Florida AND Georgia in the same season
Since 2000, Alabama has played UGA and UF in one season. LSU has played UGA and UF in six seasons.
This post was edited on 10/25/18 at 9:16 am
Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:16 am to Ben Hur
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Or add another cross division matchup
Saban has been advocating expanding to 9 SEC games. Hasn't gotten much support from the rest of the conference.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:17 am to halleburton
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It’s cyclical bro,
Except for the fact that Bama was supposed to play UGA in 2012 and 2013 but the Bama grad in the SEC office concocted a "bridge schedule" that gave Bama Mizzou and Kentucky instead of UGA. By the way, I'm sure UGA has popped up on Bama's schedule recently, right?
Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:17 am to pvilleguru
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But the thing people are forgetting is that Ole Miss, Vandy, Mississippi State, Kentucky, Arkansas, and Missouri probably don't want to give up their cross-divisional rivals as well.
add Auburn and Georgia to that list too.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:19 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
LSU would finish at worst 11-1 with Alabama's schedule. Then you'd be able to hope to sneak into the playoffs just like they do when they dont win the conference. Damn shame
Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:19 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
Last year, our cross division opponents were a combined 3-13 in conference.
A 2 loss LSU team probably doesn't make the BCS championship game in 2007 without beating Florida, either.
A 2 loss LSU team probably doesn't make the BCS championship game in 2007 without beating Florida, either.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:22 am to Alt26
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But do you know what Tennessee's record vs. Bama was between 1992 (the year the SEC was split into divisions) and 2007>? 10-4-1
That's the most cherry picked way to look at this. What about a longer look?
From that 1988-1999 stretch when UF was kicking our teeth in, BAMA went 6-5-1 with Tennessee. Oh, the series was streaky, with BAMA winning 5 straight at first, then a tie, then another win in 1994. Then TENN took the next 5.
Since 2000? They've had 19 games, with BAMA going 14-5. This includes the current TWELVE GAME win streak, and 13 out of 14.
Since 1988, BAMA has gone 30-10-1 against their cross division opponent. In that same time frame, LSU has gone 10-21 against ours.
But streaks are besides the point. Streaks can and do happen, which is why you don't WANT permanent opponents. And in the case of the SEC, it's actually a gigantic pain in the arse to even make this work, and by doing so you get situations where teams sometimes don't play each other for years and years, and some great players never play everyone in the league.
Once again, this is an accommodation that is mostly made to keep the Tide happy, regardless of what it means for the larger conference.
There was a time before Nebraska bolted for the Big 10 where they, for the good of the conference, moved divisions and lost their traditionally end of season game with Oklahoma. Sometimes sacrifices need to be made for the greater good...
Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:28 am to lsutigermall
quote:That is 100% false, by any measure.
Agree for now but but historically, Tennessee is stronger than Florida
But with the permanent interconference rival setup, as you say, someone gets Vandy every year. Fine.
However . . . .
The rotation should have SEC-West playing other East opponents once every 5 yrs. Yet Alabama has played UGA just once in the last 10 regular seasons. Meanwhile, LSU hasn't played Vandy in eight years. Bama played Vandy twice in that timeframe.
Fair?
Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:28 am to GeauxTigerTM
the SEC only has 1 shite program. Vanderbilt. its essentially a free win, a week off. know when the last time we played them was?
2010.
bama has played them twice since then. and the frickign shcedules theyve given us only gets worse from there.
our SECE games since 2008
2018 = 2 UGA and 22 Florida
2017 = 21 Florida and Tennessee
2016 = 16 Florida and Missouri
2015 = 8 Florida and SCar
2014 = Florida and UK
2013 = 9 UGA and 17 Florida
2012 = 3 SCar and 12 Florida
2011 = 17 Florida, Tennessee, and Kentucky
2010 = 14 Florida, Vandy, Tennessee
2009 = 1 UGA, 18 Florida, Vandy
2008 = 7 UGA, 11 Florida, SCar
bamas SECE games since 2008
2018 = Missouri and Tennessee
2017 = Vandy and Tennessee
2016 = UK and 9 Tennessee
2015 = 8 UGA and Tennessee
2014 = Florida and Tennessee
2013 = UK and Tennessee
2012 = Missouri and Tennessee
2011 = 12 Florida, Vandy, Tennessee
2010 = 7 Florida, 19 SCar, Tennessee
2009 = 22 SCar, UK, Tennessee
2008 = 3 UGA, UK, Tennessee
we played 15 ranked teams.
they played 7.
despite zero history between us, Florida somehow became out permanent opponent. theyve been ranked 10 of our 11 games.
bama has Tennessee as their permanent opponent. UT has been ranked in 1 of their 11 games.
bama is gifted wins, we're put through the wringer, and then, after that, we face off.
as I mentioned earlier, our schedules are made by Mark Womack.
Mark Womack was born and raised in Tuscaloosa and graduated from bama.
2010.
bama has played them twice since then. and the frickign shcedules theyve given us only gets worse from there.
our SECE games since 2008
2018 = 2 UGA and 22 Florida
2017 = 21 Florida and Tennessee
2016 = 16 Florida and Missouri
2015 = 8 Florida and SCar
2014 = Florida and UK
2013 = 9 UGA and 17 Florida
2012 = 3 SCar and 12 Florida
2011 = 17 Florida, Tennessee, and Kentucky
2010 = 14 Florida, Vandy, Tennessee
2009 = 1 UGA, 18 Florida, Vandy
2008 = 7 UGA, 11 Florida, SCar
bamas SECE games since 2008
2018 = Missouri and Tennessee
2017 = Vandy and Tennessee
2016 = UK and 9 Tennessee
2015 = 8 UGA and Tennessee
2014 = Florida and Tennessee
2013 = UK and Tennessee
2012 = Missouri and Tennessee
2011 = 12 Florida, Vandy, Tennessee
2010 = 7 Florida, 19 SCar, Tennessee
2009 = 22 SCar, UK, Tennessee
2008 = 3 UGA, UK, Tennessee
we played 15 ranked teams.
they played 7.
despite zero history between us, Florida somehow became out permanent opponent. theyve been ranked 10 of our 11 games.
bama has Tennessee as their permanent opponent. UT has been ranked in 1 of their 11 games.
bama is gifted wins, we're put through the wringer, and then, after that, we face off.
as I mentioned earlier, our schedules are made by Mark Womack.
Mark Womack was born and raised in Tuscaloosa and graduated from bama.
This post was edited on 10/25/18 at 9:35 am
Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:29 am to GeauxTigerTM
If someone breaks down the disparity in scheduling and can present the data, I would add it to the mega thread on Bama bias. Get it all in one place where outside media can easily digest.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:34 am to Nutriaitch
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add Auburn and Georgia to that list too.
Yeah. I didn't add Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, or Tennessee because those are the ones everyone always mentions. The reason the rule doesn't change is because of the smaller guys like Vandy, Kentucky, etc.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:35 am to Choupique19
quote:2015, and again in 2020.
By the way, I'm sure UGA has popped up on Bama's schedule recently, right?
Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:37 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
The rotation should have SEC-West playing other East opponents once every 5 yrs.
I think that's fairly close to the current rotation.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:38 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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Well while you are enjoying the tough schedule, Bama is cruising through their cupcake schedule to another playoff, and then will follow it up by cherry picking the best recruits out of LA.
If we build a great team, the schedule becomes a benefit.
You can look a difficult schedule one of two ways, ways it could hurt your chances or ways it could help your chances of getting to the playoffs. I prefer the latter. Don't wish things were easier, wish you were better.
Be better and you can afford a slip up with a chance to get to the playoffs.
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