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re: The Bama game confirms one thing
Posted on 11/5/18 at 10:07 am to LSUStar
Posted on 11/5/18 at 10:07 am to LSUStar
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His behavior is the problem. Sorry if it offends you...wait, no I am not sorry. Orgeron is not the man for the job if winning the SEC is the goal
You make up some bullshite that you know nothing about and you think that's ok. Pathetic.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 10:44 am to WaWaWeeWa
They are who we thought they were. Steve E sucks. Whatever, the majority of fans seem happy with mediocrity and never beating Saban. I'm sure this will get downvoted to hell, but really man, the last two games against Bama at home, (Both called by Steve E) a collective 0-39. It's not changing either. If we go 10-2 every year and get blown out by Bama every year, O and E keep their jobs.
All LSU fans have been asking for for the last 10 years is something new offensively, and every year its the same predictable shite. We have so much talent that we overwhelm everyone else, but it doesn't work that way with Bama
All LSU fans have been asking for for the last 10 years is something new offensively, and every year its the same predictable shite. We have so much talent that we overwhelm everyone else, but it doesn't work that way with Bama
Posted on 11/5/18 at 10:46 am to lsualum96
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Actually, they were right for ONE GAME. I don't think Georgia thinks are offense isn't good enough.
5 field goals..Our Red Zone offense was shite.
and it takes more than one game to accumulate this
Total Offense-12th
Passing Offense-12th
Rushing Offense-10th
Receiving Offense-12th
PPG-10th
Number 1 in Kicking and Punting though
Posted on 11/5/18 at 10:54 am to WaWaWeeWa
LSU has played against 6 top 25 defenses so far this year. It's very unlikely to have a top 25 offense in that case.
Having said that, LSU at 104th is completely unacceptable.
Obviously, a fix needs to be made - whether that's a new OC, or recruiting, or offensive staff as a whole.
Bottom line - we aren't the ones who should make that decision, they are the coaches, they do this for a living. We don't.
Having said that, LSU at 104th is completely unacceptable.
Obviously, a fix needs to be made - whether that's a new OC, or recruiting, or offensive staff as a whole.
Bottom line - we aren't the ones who should make that decision, they are the coaches, they do this for a living. We don't.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 10:57 am to WaWaWeeWa
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The Bama game confirms one thing
What it confirmed was that Ed O shite the bed against Bama again and he will continue to do so until he brings in a capable OC.
At season's end, Ed will boast about his 11-2 or 10-3 record just like Les Miles did, and totally ignore how we are always so frightened of Bama to the point of embarrassing results.
Screw the record, if you can't field a team that can compete with Bama, then Ed needs to go.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 10:59 am to Topwater Trout
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why do fans think you can transform the offense into a juggernaut in one year?
Juggernaut?
Most of us "debbie-downers" "negatigers" or whatever simply ask for a little competence. With a solid defense, the LSU offense does not NEED to be a "juggernaut" it simply needs to be a little bit effective. Hang on to the ball for a few minutes. Maybe, oooooooh, I don't know....
I mean, for the last 19 years, this program has tried to and been in contention for division, conference and national championships. Now suddenly, that is unrealistic, and those who desire to remain in that level of school are NegaTiger/0-Haters.
Let us NOT forget, that Coaches Orgeron and Ensminger have been involved in the recruiting of ALL of these players and had a part in that process even before Coach Miles was fired. Let us stop blaming Coach Miles exclusively for the slide, these two were on staff before being hired.
They, each, have been involved since, at least, 2015, so it is not just a "juggernaut in one year?" It has been at least FOUR seasons for them to have been involved.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 11:12 am to bstew3006
Again, everyone is so quick to fire off the (take your pick):
Ensminger sucks!! Fire him!!
Orgeron sucks because he hired Ensminger!! Fire him!!
Alleva sucks!! Fire him!!
Burrow sucks!! Play pretty boy Brennan!!
Same offense as Miles!! WTF!!
Then you say:
But then you say:
Before this game posters said we needed short routes to quickly dump the ball over the middle and on short slants.
I saw maroon jerseys waiting for these exact plays saturday night.
So back to what I said in here already...
So if you lose at the LOS, you lose. And if you lose at the LOS, it doesn't matter WHICH scheme you play. Yet, somehow there is a scheme we can switch to that will exempt us from this rule.
Take a step back for a second...
If it has been consistent that we lose at the LOS, isn't it time to toughen up in the trenches?
By the way, I'm still waiting for someone to tell me the offensive scheme that allows you run the ball & complete passes (for positive yards), convert 3rd downs, & score TD's when you get beat off the snap and manhandled every down on the LOS.
By the way, this leaves out other issues of concern like:
Running routes well enough to get open
Catching the ball when it is thrown near you
*I'm still leaving the run game out because if you lose the LOS, forget running the ball.
Ensminger sucks!! Fire him!!
Orgeron sucks because he hired Ensminger!! Fire him!!
Alleva sucks!! Fire him!!
Burrow sucks!! Play pretty boy Brennan!!
Same offense as Miles!! WTF!!
Then you say:
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If you consistently lose the LOS, offense will have a bad day. SO yes, you have to win the LOS.
But then you say:
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This has been the story at LSU for years! What has been the constant? The offensive scheme! this is the exact same offense as Miles, only difference is more shotgun. If you are struggling at the LOS, then change your scheme to counter your weakness!
Before this game posters said we needed short routes to quickly dump the ball over the middle and on short slants.
I saw maroon jerseys waiting for these exact plays saturday night.
So back to what I said in here already...
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Someone do me a favor.
Tell me which offensive looks or schemes work when you lose every down at the LOS. Last time I checked, if you lose in the trenches, you lose the game.
We can save the "I told you our offense sucks" until after this is discussed.
So if you lose at the LOS, you lose. And if you lose at the LOS, it doesn't matter WHICH scheme you play. Yet, somehow there is a scheme we can switch to that will exempt us from this rule.
Take a step back for a second...
If it has been consistent that we lose at the LOS, isn't it time to toughen up in the trenches?
By the way, I'm still waiting for someone to tell me the offensive scheme that allows you run the ball & complete passes (for positive yards), convert 3rd downs, & score TD's when you get beat off the snap and manhandled every down on the LOS.
By the way, this leaves out other issues of concern like:
Running routes well enough to get open
Catching the ball when it is thrown near you
*I'm still leaving the run game out because if you lose the LOS, forget running the ball.
This post was edited on 11/5/18 at 11:24 am
Posted on 11/5/18 at 11:32 am to The Pirate King
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We put up 36 on UGA. I’d hardly say they were right. Is the offense an abject failure if they can’t score on one team that’s on pace to be on the best CFB teams ever?
You said one team. You think we moved the ball efficiently against Florida and Ms. State?
Posted on 11/5/18 at 11:38 am to bstew3006
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Lol, uga game was the 1 game the offense was good.
LSU ranks in the bottom of ncaa and sec. it's terrible.
I wish our fans would've realized this early on. They set themselves up for failure.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 11:44 am to WaWaWeeWa
LSU has failed at recruiting when it comes to running backs. They were all i on the running back a few years ago that left us at the alter. We might could have gotten Ettiene if the last staff would have pursued him. Coach ED was forced to go after lineman last year and linebackers, we were paper thin. We still have major holes to fill and so far, these needs still need to be met. The staff is trying but Alabama could be a spoiler and the staff does not have anything to counter this encroachment. Hiring one of our high school coaches and a bag man is tough to beat. There are more needs than scholarships to give again this year. If he misses on top targets, he will have to find transfers or look to the JC for help again. He knows where his weaknesses are. Robinson can't keep his job if he misses again this year.

Posted on 11/5/18 at 3:50 pm to bstew3006
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When running play-action its for deep 20 yards plus on outside. Still wont attack the middle of the field or run quick play-action to hit slant or TE over the middle behind LBs. There is no creativity (scheme).
An astute observation with a coach's eye and perception. Think this quote isn't in someone's coach's skinny on us?
Posted on 11/5/18 at 3:56 pm to WaWaWeeWa
The only thing that the Bama games confirms is that this Bama team is in a totally different Class than any other team in the NCAA.
Tell me one other NCAA team LSU could not give a good game.
Tell me one other NCAA team LSU could not give a good game.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 5:29 pm to browl
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So if you lose at the LOS, you lose. And if you lose at the LOS, it doesn't matter WHICH scheme you play. Yet, somehow there is a scheme we can switch to that will exempt us from this rule. Take a step back for a second... If it has been consistent that we lose at the LOS, isn't it time to toughen up in the trenches?
Why did we lose in the trenches to Southeastern?
We have more oline talent than 90% of teams in the country. I wonder how they produce enough offense for us to end up at 104th in offensive production.
You aren’t any better than the people you are criticizing. They are blaming coaches, you are blaming players. Same song, different dance.
Except we have proof that the talent is there
Posted on 11/5/18 at 5:33 pm to HueyP
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The only thing that the Bama games confirms is that this Bama team is in a totally different Class than any other team in the NCAA. Tell me one other NCAA team LSU could not give a good game.
You act like we don’t lose to other teams. Or look like shite against inferior teams.
I mean, it’s like you forget that we lost to Troy and we’re handed the biggest loss from Miss st in history last year.
This isn’t about Bama. Bama is just a measuring stick that is confirming how far we have fallen. We used to be on that level
Posted on 11/5/18 at 5:38 pm to WaWaWeeWa
I think most of us knew there were issues on offense. I think most of us thought or hoped it was due to new players playing together and that they would get better as the season went on. That obviously has not happened.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 5:46 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Wrong thread.
This post was edited on 11/5/18 at 5:48 pm
Posted on 11/5/18 at 5:55 pm to fallguy_1978
Well we have played the 6th toughest schedule. So I would expect the numbers to be low. Now I will say we should've padded those numbers in the easier contest.
I'm not saying this offense is great, but a lot of the low numbers can be attributed to the tough teams we have played.
But I see your point....the OL is terrible and if a team can stuff our run game, then they have a good chance at collapsing the pocket because the Run Blocking is the strong suit of the OL.
OL talent and OL coaching talent needs to improve or do a better job at teaching.
I'm not saying this offense is great, but a lot of the low numbers can be attributed to the tough teams we have played.
But I see your point....the OL is terrible and if a team can stuff our run game, then they have a good chance at collapsing the pocket because the Run Blocking is the strong suit of the OL.
OL talent and OL coaching talent needs to improve or do a better job at teaching.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 5:59 pm to lovinLSU
I do believe that! Combine that with Saban's comets of: 'this the most complete team I've ever seen' and 'when win the toss Ihope we elect to kick arse.' These are very unusual for Saban and I think he has the horses to back it up.
This post was edited on 11/5/18 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 11/5/18 at 6:09 pm to Greace
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Nobody is saying their defense is the best ever. All the talk is about their offense.
I AM saying their defense is the best in college football. It's natural for a great defense to get sloppy when their offense is scoring 50. But make no mistake, Bama has 11 NFL players starting on defense and six or eight more backing them up. NFL at every single position.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 6:46 pm to WaWaWeeWa
I never claimed to be better than anyone. Let's straighten that out up front.
You just said our oline is better that 90% of the ncaa. Off talent and instinct alone we ought to beat most teams off the line play after play by your assertion. We haven't, have we.
Right, it's because you're wrong.
My opinion is that you need talent and coaching, and this other little thing called execution.
We need to work and strategize, and then execute.
Did you read me say anywhere in this thread to fire or bench this player or that player? No. I've seen and many others have seen glimpses of what this offense is capable of, and I want more of it. I frigging wish they brought a whole lot of it saturday night. A lot of factors influence what 11 dudes wind up doing on the field. More so when the other 11 dudes are doing to exploit your weaknesses.
I haven't said bench this lineman who blew this assignment or even bench that guy who can't catch. They're our team and coaches, and fans (at least where I come from) are supposed to support them. Not fire them or bench them because they lost to a college team that could probably beat a few NFL teams right now. We've only lost one other game.
Any line of work, if resources are not being used to their potential, you look to management. That is the coaches. They have to figure out what needs to be tweaked and fix it.
Did the oline play the at the same level against bama, UGA, auburn, Florida? No.
Same or very similar talent on the field each game with very different outcomes. Coaching? Execution?
That's on the tigers (coaches and players...the TEAM) to figure out. And they all need to improve somewhere. If I had the answer I think I'd be making a lot of money coaching football.
You just said our oline is better that 90% of the ncaa. Off talent and instinct alone we ought to beat most teams off the line play after play by your assertion. We haven't, have we.
Right, it's because you're wrong.
My opinion is that you need talent and coaching, and this other little thing called execution.
We need to work and strategize, and then execute.
Did you read me say anywhere in this thread to fire or bench this player or that player? No. I've seen and many others have seen glimpses of what this offense is capable of, and I want more of it. I frigging wish they brought a whole lot of it saturday night. A lot of factors influence what 11 dudes wind up doing on the field. More so when the other 11 dudes are doing to exploit your weaknesses.
I haven't said bench this lineman who blew this assignment or even bench that guy who can't catch. They're our team and coaches, and fans (at least where I come from) are supposed to support them. Not fire them or bench them because they lost to a college team that could probably beat a few NFL teams right now. We've only lost one other game.
Any line of work, if resources are not being used to their potential, you look to management. That is the coaches. They have to figure out what needs to be tweaked and fix it.
Did the oline play the at the same level against bama, UGA, auburn, Florida? No.
Same or very similar talent on the field each game with very different outcomes. Coaching? Execution?
That's on the tigers (coaches and players...the TEAM) to figure out. And they all need to improve somewhere. If I had the answer I think I'd be making a lot of money coaching football.
This post was edited on 11/5/18 at 6:53 pm
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