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re: The backjudge is the culprit
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:13 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:13 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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I'm sorry to see you hiding behind the wording like this. I'm aware that when you look at the photo it's CLEAR that's what Wing was doing at that instant. My problem is that given it was almost impossible to see, and the word OBVIOUS is part of the rule, I'd like to think Wing's actions were not exactly what the rules committee had in mind when they crafted this shitty rule. I think we both agree here.
Hiding? How so? I think you've known me long enough to know that I have no need to hide behind anything. It was pretty obvous to the B - he had to see it to flag it. I'm going to guess that it probably looked a little different from his perspective than it did from above and behind on the shot that CBS had, but that's just me.
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Not from me...but I will readily admit we have some shitty fans, so there's no doubt some certainly would be.
Fair enough.
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Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:13 pm to moneyg
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Take the bias out and put it into a game with no connections and EVERYBODY would be saying that it is a horrible rule and and equally horrible decision to throw the flag.
You are in denial and it is embarrassing.
Damn right.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:13 pm to 62zip
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62zip
So what is your story?
Referee?
Former Referee?
Be honest.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:14 pm to moneyg
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Good referees use good judgement. Poor referees inject themselves into these situations because they want to be a part of the game.
Again, if you don't like his judgemnt don't make him use it. Brad keeps running and we aren't having this discussion. It's simple.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:15 pm to moneyg
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So what is your story?
Referee?
Former Referee?
Be honest.
Referee? No. Official? Yes.
I have nothing to hide or be dishonest about.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:16 pm to 62zip
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Again, if you don't like his judgemnt don't make him use it. Brad keeps running and we aren't having this discussion. It's simple.
Perfect example of what i said earlier...hiding behind the letter of the rule.
Again, you are a ref or former ref, right?
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:16 pm to TiketheMiger
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The ref saw it and made the call. How hard is that to understand?
how hard is it to admit that poor judgement was used when throwing that flag? That fact that officials can hide behind the wording and point to the obviousness of the action by using a still photograph does nothing to prove that's what the rules committee had in mind when they crafted this rule.
Brad Wing does not equal Terrell Owens. How hard is that to understand?
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Damn right.
Did you say it was unprofessional or not? Simple.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:17 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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how hard is it to admit that poor judgement was used when throwing that flag? That fact that officials can hide behind the wording and point to the obviousness of the action by using a still photograph does nothing to prove that's what the rules committee had in mind when they crafted this rule.
Brad Wing does not equal Terrell Owens. How hard is that to understand?
You're absolutely right. He doesn't.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:18 pm to 62zip
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Did you say it was unprofessional or not? Simple.
WHich incident? Baker, Ware? Others?
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:20 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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how hard is it to admit that poor judgement was used when throwing that flag? That fact that officials can hide behind the wording and point to the obviousness of the action by using a still photograph does nothing to prove that's what the rules committee had in mind when they crafted this rule.
How was it poor judgment? The new rule tells officials to look for taunting while going into the endzone. He saw it. He threw the flag.
Not sure what you meant by hiding behind the wording by using still photograph. The ref saw it live and threw the flag.
This post was edited on 10/10/11 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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WHich incident? Baker, Ware? Others?
Any of them. All of them.
I'm going to guess though that if someone was chatting with Baker, odds are it wasn't the same guy. It's possible, but far more likely that it would be the umpire or one of the wings.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:21 pm to geauxtigahs87
Looks like the ref masturbates with his left hand.... A lot.
This post was edited on 10/10/11 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:22 pm to 62zip
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Hiding? How so? I think you've known me long enough to know that I have no need to hide behind anything. It was pretty obvous to the B - he had to see it to flag it. I'm going to guess that it probably looked a little different from his perspective than it did from above and behind on the shot that CBS had, but that's just me.
I've known you long enough to have seen you argue an officiating point like this before that can only be argued semantically. I'm not arguing that to the letter of the law the official was wrong. High speed cameras prove Wing did attempt to taunt UF. That's not my issue here. My issue is that what he did was no where NEAR what the rules committee had in mind when the wrote that rules...either before the new stipulation of penalizing at the spot of the foul or after. To call this interpretation ticky tack would be overstating how bad it really was. Instead of admitting that what we get is officials circling the wagons and pointing to the rule book and a still photo. It's like the way police officers reflexively defend each other at the first sign of any negative reaction to something one of them has done.
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Fair enough.
I enjoy arguing! This isn't an LSU issue for me...I'd be arguing this if it had happened to Utah or something.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:23 pm to 62zip
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I'm going to guess though that if someone was chatting with Baker, odds are it wasn't the same guy. It's possible, but far more likely that it would be the umpire or one of the wings.
I was addressing someone saying he got in bakers face and was going off on him. IF (disclaimer made public so you don't misrepresent yet again) this was the case, it was unprofessional and goes far beyond what you believe to be "preventative officiating" which is taught differently under professional guidelines. The poster I was talking to believed it to be appropriate.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:25 pm to 62zip
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Referee? No. Official? Yes.
There it is.
I could tell this from your first post. And, all you have proven is that you are incapable of being unbiased.
Let's just say that 99% of fans, coaches and players think that the judgement used by that official was wrong. You are on the other side. That says it all.
But don't let that deter you. Don't let any of those people get in the way. By god, you are a part of the game, and nothing is going to change that. And, if they don't like it you can go ahead an inject yourself into another situation. That will show them. Then you can hide behind the fact that it is a judgement call.
I have news for you. You aren't a part of the game. People aren't cheering for you. They don't want to notice you. In fact, they want to NOT notice you. The good officials out there understand this. You need to take a look at yourself.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:29 pm to TiketheMiger
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How was it poor judgment? The new rule tells officials to look for taunting while going into the endzone. He saw it. He threw the flag.
Not sure what you meant by hiding behind the wording by using still photograph. The ref saw it live and threw the flag.
I'm going to assume you're an official. I know Zip is. I've now asked both of you this question and gotten no answers from either of you. I'll try again then I'll let it alone.
I agree that to the letter of the law and using high speed cameras you can see the official made the right call. Clearly Wing did something. what I'm arguing, and have been for pages now, is that what Wing did in no way rose to the level of obviousness that was the intent of the rule. We all know the type of showboating that brought this rule on...in no way did what Wing do resemble any of those things. It's not even in the same league as what caused this rule to be written.
Do you think what Wing did was what was meant to be flagged when the rule was written? Was what Wing did the intent of the rule? From here on out, Do you think this play will be shown to officials as how TO make this call, or how NOT TO make this call?
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:30 pm to lsusteve1
Brad Wing should have gotten four penalties on this play.
1. He spread his arms when he was 10 yards from the goal line. (taunting)
2. He spread his arms in the same exact motion when he was in the back of the end zone. (taunting or at least excessive celebration)
3. He spread his arms in the same exact motion when he was halfway from the end zone to the student section. (taunting or at least excessive celebration)
4. He leaned over into the student section. (he so wanted to do a Lambeau Leap into the student section. Still, this was a taunt).
The game should have been called at that point in time......forfiet LSU. When a football player would fumble the football former Winnfield head coach Tommy Bankston would make them carry a football around all the next week. Les Miles needs to make Brad Wing walk around all week with his hands in his pockets.
1. He spread his arms when he was 10 yards from the goal line. (taunting)
2. He spread his arms in the same exact motion when he was in the back of the end zone. (taunting or at least excessive celebration)
3. He spread his arms in the same exact motion when he was halfway from the end zone to the student section. (taunting or at least excessive celebration)
4. He leaned over into the student section. (he so wanted to do a Lambeau Leap into the student section. Still, this was a taunt).
The game should have been called at that point in time......forfiet LSU. When a football player would fumble the football former Winnfield head coach Tommy Bankston would make them carry a football around all the next week. Les Miles needs to make Brad Wing walk around all week with his hands in his pockets.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:30 pm to moneyg
quote:wrong.
Let's just say that 99% of fans, coaches and players think that the judgement used by that official was wrong.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:32 pm to NorthTiger
I do think he should be more careful and spread his arms AFTER he crosses the damned goal line!
obvious fumble risk is obvious
obvious fumble risk is obvious
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