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re: The backjudge is the culprit
Posted on 10/10/11 at 11:40 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 10/10/11 at 11:40 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Something we have talked about for the last day and a half.
Then it should be easy enough to enlighten me or point me to a link.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 11:41 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I don't think punishing really blatant taunting is a bad thing, but from the spot of the foul is a bad thing. I am not 100% sure that it was meant to penalize someone like Wing and his semi taunt.
For the record, I've stated numerous times that I actually don't like ANY rule that addresses taunting. Not to suggest I'm a fan of it...I'm not. I just think rules ought to be confined to what has an actual effect on the game...not visibly being mean to opposing players. It's a rule, in my opinion, written to appease fans who are offended by these types of actions. Frankly, it ought to be up to the coach/university to decide if they want to punish those actions.
As for Wing's deal...of course. It was nothing in the history of showboating. It was so embarrassingly mild that it took still photography to see it!
Posted on 10/10/11 at 11:42 am to Mike Linebacker
I think the question is if the penalty had been the old way, would anyone have complained about the 15 yards tacked on at the end of the play? I wonder if the severity of this new penalty has negated the number of times the penalty has been called? The problem is that the penalty does not fit the crime. I am sure somewhere there is a database of the number of times celebration was called last year as compared to this year. I would be curious to see if it was called more last year.
This would tell me that even the refs don't agree with the penalty and are not calling it like they would have in the past.
This would tell me that even the refs don't agree with the penalty and are not calling it like they would have in the past.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 11:42 am to 62zip
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Then it should be easy enough to enlighten me or point me to a link.
It was alleged that the backjudge "jumped on" an LSU player(s)
Which is the point I am addressing.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 11:43 am to TigerBait1127
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He was the most unprofessional official
Unfortunately, a lot of sports officials are like that. They think they are some kind of badass because they have the power to change the game. It's a phenomenon similar to the guy with a bunch of repressed anger and aggression going into law enforcement and being a dick to everybody.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 11:43 am to GeauxTigerTM
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For the record, I've stated numerous times that I actually don't like ANY rule that addresses taunting. Not to suggest I'm a fan of it...I'm not. I just think rules ought to be confined to what has an actual effect on the game...not visibly being mean to opposing players. It's a rule, in my opinion, written to appease fans who are offended by these types of actions. Frankly, it ought to be up to the coach/university to decide if they want to punish those actions.
The real problem with taunting is that it can have an effect down the line. You taunt a guy and then later he throws a punch or something as a result and then everyone wants to know why it was allowed to escalate to that level.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 11:45 am to 62zip
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I have seen two different videos of the game in question and there was absolutely nothing wrong with the way that game was called (you do know that just because a team commits far more fouls than their opponent, in and of itself means nothing, right?)- and the assistant commissioner of the LHSAA also agreed with that assessment
Yes, and the head of SEC officials said the 2006 LSU-Auburn game was called perfectly.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 11:46 am to 62zip
Sad that people want to attack this guy for doing his job and enforcing a rule.
Blame the coaches for the rule change.
Blame the coaches for the rule change.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 11:46 am to RogerTheShrubber
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It was alleged that the backjudge "jumped on" an LSU player(s)
Which is the point I am addressing.
On the basis of Jeff's photo?
Telling Spencer Ware, who is looking into the stands, flexing, to go ahead and get back to his sideline?
Yes, terribly unprofessional. Maybe instead of employing some preventive officiating, he should have just flagged hiim for it and then everyone could be all worked up over that as well.
Good thinking.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 11:47 am to Nuts4LSU
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Yes, and the head of SEC officials said the 2006 LSU-Auburn game was called perfectly.
Got a link? I've never seen a game that was called perfectly.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 11:47 am to 62zip
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And it was easy enough for the B to see Wing, Wing was looking right at him along with two opponents - that's why the flag came from where it did.
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This is all about the spirit of the rule, and instead of pointing out that this rule was meant to stop the type of showboating we can all pull up in our mind's eye with guys like Deion, or Terrel Owens, or Ochocinco, etc we've got guys hiding behind the specifics of the wording as justification for throwing this flag. Instead, the first time this rule is put into effect is on a kicker who flashes his arms out so meekly that it took a still photo to see it in it's full tauntiness. I'm sure this type of behavior is exactly what the rules committee had in mind when they wrote this shitty rule.
Zip...I realize that as soon as anyone suggests an official got a call wrong your Batsignal goes off and you come to defend them, but will you not admit that the spirit of this rule was to shut down the showboating we all became accustomed to with the guys I mentioned? Are you seriously going to suggest that when the rules committee sat down to address the scourge of taunting and showboating in college football, they would have used THIS play as an example of the type of tomfoolery they wanted to put a stop to? To extrapolate it out to covering what Wing did makes the rule a joke.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 11:47 am to Nuts4LSU
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Yes, and the head of SEC officials said the 2006 LSU-Auburn game was called perfectly.
Let it go. Forget about it. We aren't in 2006 anymore so stop caring about it.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 11:48 am to TiketheMiger
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Sad that people want to attack this guy for doing his job and enforcing a rule.
Blame the coaches for the rule change.
I wouldn't blame the guy for the rule. I don't even know the intent of the rule and if it were meant to address simple things like what Wing did. If the interpretation of the rule was correct, the rule is pretty damned silly and unwarranted.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 11:51 am to 62zip
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The real problem with taunting is that it can have an effect down the line. You taunt a guy and then later he throws a punch or something as a result and then everyone wants to know why it was allowed to escalate to that level.
So why no rule for cursing an opposing player? Surely players are saying things to each other that we can't see off the field (no head bobbing where it's obvious they are jawing at each other) that would burn the ears of some average sports fans? Nope. We get a rule to penalize visible actions...not just because they are more apt to cause issues.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 11:52 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Zip...I realize that as soon as anyone suggests an official got a call wrong your Batsignal goes off and you come to defend them, but will you not admit that the spirit of this rule was to shut down the showboating we all became accustomed to with the guys I mentioned? Are you seriously going to suggest that when the rules committee sat down to address the scourge of taunting and showboating in college football, they would have used THIS play as an example of the type of tomfoolery they wanted to put a stop to? To extrapolate it out to covering what Wing did makes the rule a joke.
Calls are missed every day. There is no news there. But I will comment when someone misinterprets a rule or suggests that any missed call is a result of some nefarious plot to frick LSU.
It's important here, I think to distinguish between celebration and taunting, as the two seem to be getting used interchangably and they are not quite the same thing.
They are actually being a little less stringent on celebration this season, but not really so on taunting.
Of course, without the enforcement change,we likely aren't having this discussion anyhow - and that's on the coaches.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 11:53 am to TigerBait1127
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Les chewed the ref out after the play
Posted on 10/10/11 at 11:54 am to GeauxTigerTM
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So why no rule for cursing an opposing player? Surely players are saying things to each other that we can't see off the field (no head bobbing where it's obvious they are jawing at each other) that would burn the ears of some average sports fans? Nope. We get a rule to penalize visible actions...not just because they are more apt to cause issues.
Hey, talk to the rulesmakers - that is their philosophy.
And of course they are saying shite to each other all game long, and yeah you can see that head bobbing, but it's almost impossible in most instances to know what they are saying. You can't really flag a guy because his head was bobbing, hell he could be telling the guy that he made a great play. But you can see taunting. That's just the way it is.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 11:54 am to 62zip
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On the basis of Jeff's photo?
Telling Spencer Ware, who is looking into the stands, flexing, to go ahead and get back to his sideline?
As well as some folks who were near the situation, yes. And other incidents with the same official in the past.
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Yes, terribly unprofessional. Maybe instead of employing some preventive officiating, he should have just flagged hiim for it and then everyone could be all worked up over that as well.
Good thinking.
You are taking this term to extreme. "Back up number 18" "watch your mouth" is much different than jumping on a guys arse.. I don't know what the guy said, or if he did anything wrong I am addressing what was alleged.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 11:56 am to AlxTgr
Nice clip.
Jordy said he told him it was a good call, more than once. What in the clip indicates otherwise? In fact that's pretty much what it looks like he's saying.
Jordy said he told him it was a good call, more than once. What in the clip indicates otherwise? In fact that's pretty much what it looks like he's saying.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 11:57 am to 62zip
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but will you not admit that the spirit of this rule was to shut down the showboating we all became accustomed to with the guys I mentioned? Are you seriously going to suggest that when the rules committee sat down to address the scourge of taunting and showboating in college football, they would have used THIS play as an example of the type of tomfoolery they wanted to put a stop to?
You quoted me, Zip but didn't really answer my question. I would like your take on the spirit of the rule versus the semantics of the wording if you would.
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