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re: The backjudge is the culprit
Posted on 10/10/11 at 11:57 am to CovingtonTiger
Posted on 10/10/11 at 11:57 am to CovingtonTiger
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This rule is terribly written. In regard to the "unopposed ball carrier obviously altering stride" part. Suppose that a player, running full speed toward the endzone, notices that there is no opposing player in pursuit and then slows down 5 yards from the goal line. No taunting, no "in your face" antics, he just slows down his stride and sort of coast into the endzone, instead of running full speed. He "obviously altered his stride" in the field of play and could, technically, be called for unsportsmanlike conduct simply for slowing down. Terribly written rule
Yes, it is terribly written, but there's no good way to write a terrible rule.
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Posted on 10/10/11 at 11:58 am to TiketheMiger
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Sad that people want to attack this guy for doing his job and enforcing a rule.
Blame the coaches for the rule change.
I agree, however I think that the rule is called less than in previous years because of the new penalty. This means that refs are not enforcing the rule as they previously did because of the penalty.
I think everyone is glossing over the SEC wording of their statement. I don't think it was a glowing review of the call, the statement only said that it was an acceptable call under the rule book. If the SEC would have said that this is an example of when the new rule should be used.. it would have been a different story. I bet the SEC and every other major conference is sending out videos from the games the past season and saying call it here and not here.
I also wonder how many team meetings are happening with players who don't normally score to give them details of the rule.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 11:59 am to LSUtigersarefun
P.S. remember that Georgia game, wow what would have happened if it was under the new rule and it had happened during the play?
Posted on 10/10/11 at 11:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
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As well as some folks who were near the situation, yes. And other incidents with the same official in the past.
Really? So people could hear what he was telling Ware? From the stands? Seriously?
What other incidents? This should be interesting.
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You are taking this term to extreme. "Back up number 18" "watch your mouth" is much different than jumping on a guys arse.. I don't know what the guy said, or if he did anything wrong I am addressing what was alleged.
Extreme? Really? Unless either one of us knows what he was saying, then we really have no idea, do we?
You don't know what he said or if he did anything wrong, yet you are telling us how unprofessional he is? Interesting.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 11:59 am to 62zip
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Les disagrees as to the bogus nature of the flag FWIW.
No he doesn't. He's taking the high road like Miles ALWAYS does.
62zip is displaying the classic referee mindset. That call was a case of a ref wanting to be a part of the game...hiding behind the letter of the rule.
It takes a really bad referee to make that call. It would take literally the worst referee in the world, to make that call in a critical moment of a game.
Making that call is flat out embarrassing for a ref. It has been a consensus on every national show that addressed it. Everyone knows it...except for referee apologists.
Be honest, you are a ref, or former ref, right?
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:02 pm to LSUtigersarefun
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P.S. remember that Georgia game, wow what would have happened if it was under the new rule and it had happened during the play?
That wouldn't have been any different than the way it was then. Both flags were for dead ball fouls.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:03 pm to moneyg
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62zip is displaying the classic referee mindset. That call was a case of a ref wanting to be a part of the game...hiding behind the letter of the rule.
If you don't like a guy's judgment, don't make him use it. It's simple.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:03 pm to TiketheMiger
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So now a penalty should only be called when people in the stands can see it?
If the penalty is only supposed to apply to "obvious" conduct, then it should only be called when the conduct is obvious.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:03 pm to 62zip
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Why have a teaching oportunity with a kid if he didn't do anything wrong?
Because he knows he can not trust the officials to make consistent calls throughout the year to the standard that they placed. He's taking this opportunity to protect his team in a real important situation by an overzealous official.
You are downright psycho if you think Miles agreed with that call. Nobody agreed with that call.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:06 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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I would like your take on the spirit of the rule versus the semantics of the wording if you would.
The rule addresses taunting. Looking at the defender and holding out your arms like that letting him know there is no way he's going to catch you is taunting. It's really not that hard.
If UF had done the exact same thing and it wasn't flagged we would be hearing about what a pussy the B was for not putting a flag on it. Well either that or that the B was a Bama grad out to frick LSU. We both know that.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:06 pm to TiketheMiger
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So now a penalty should only be called when people in the stands can see it?
When the word OBVIOUS is part of the rule and we're talking about a guy in the wide arse open being flagged for taunting, yeah...I'd like to think that people in the stands and watching live on TV would be able to actually SEE the taunting taking place and not have to rely on high speed footage to ascertain the obviousness of what just happened.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:06 pm to Nuts4LSU
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If the penalty is only supposed to apply to "obvious" conduct, then it should only be called when the conduct is obvious
It was obvious to the ref. That is the only person it needs to be obvious to.
This post was edited on 10/10/11 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:07 pm to 62zip
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Extreme? Really? Unless either one of us knows what he was saying, then we really have no idea, do we?
You have reading comp issues.
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You don't know what he said or if he did anything wrong, yet you are telling us how unprofessional he is? Interesting.
what a dumbass. You don't play well with others, or follow well, do you? I have pretty much bolded "alleged" throughout this post. "preventative officiating" is a something meant to prevent flags, not replace them.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:08 pm to moneyg
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Because he knows he can not trust the officials to make consistent calls throughout the year to the standard that they placed. He's taking this opportunity to protect his team in a real important situation by an overzealous official.
So if Wing didn't do anything wrong, then what exactly can Les tell him not to do in the future?
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:09 pm to 62zip
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Looking at the defender and holding out your arms like that letting him know there is no way he's going to catch you is taunting. It's really not that hard.
I'm sorry to see you hiding behind the wording like this. I'm aware that when you look at the photo it's CLEAR that's what Wing was doing at that instant. My problem is that given it was almost impossible to see, and the word OBVIOUS is part of the rule, I'd like to think Wing's actions were not exactly what the rules committee had in mind when they crafted this shitty rule. I think we both agree here.
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If UF had done the exact same thing and it wasn't flagged we would be hearing about what a pussy the B was for not putting a flag on it. Well either that or that the B was a Bama grad out to frick LSU. We both know that.
Not from me...but I will readily admit we have some shitty fans, so there's no doubt some certainly would be.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:10 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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what a dumbass. You don't play well with others, or follow well, do you? I have pretty much bolded "alleged" throughout this post.
"preventative officiating" is a something meant to prevent flags, not replace them.
Well you either said:
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So smack talk from the officials leads to less smack talk from the players? It's not the officials job to dress down a player. It is unprofessional.
Or you didn't.
You seemed pretty confident when you stated that.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:10 pm to 62zip
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If you don't like a guy's judgment, don't make him use it. It's simple.
Good referees use good judgement. Poor referees inject themselves into these situations because they want to be a part of the game.
99 out of 100 refs would not make that call. You know it and I know it...only one of us is willing to admit it.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:11 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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My problem is that given it was almost impossible to see, and the word OBVIOUS is part of the rule, I'd like to think Wing's actions were not exactly what the rules committee had in mind when they crafted this shitty rule. I think we both agree here.
Just because it was impossible for you to see doesn't mean it was impossible for the ref to see being as how he was 5 yards away and staring right at him.
The only person a penalty needs to be obvious to is the ref making the call.
The ref saw it and made the call. How hard is that to understand?
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:12 pm to 62zip
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So smack talk from the officials leads to less smack talk from the players? It's not the officials job to dress down a player. It is unprofessional.
Or you didn't.
You seemed pretty confident when you stated that.
Out of context, you would probably think so.
Posted on 10/10/11 at 12:12 pm to 62zip
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If UF had done the exact same thing and it wasn't flagged we would be hearing about what a pussy the B was for not putting a flag on it.
Take the bias out and put it into a game with no connections and EVERYBODY would be saying that it is a horrible rule and and equally horrible decision to throw the flag.
You are in denial and it is embarrassing.
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