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re: Teams That Scored 30+ on Bama Since '08 (Long)

Posted on 11/8/18 at 10:43 am to
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 11/8/18 at 10:43 am to
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we held them to under 30 pts
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A team that scores 30 points against an opposing team is “holding” them? Yeah, nah.

agreed. And let's be honest, the only reason they scored under 30 were two missed PATs.

And they self-destructed on their first drive after getting down to our 14 yard line. Should've been 34 or 38-0.

We didn't hold them to anything. They gained nearly 600 yards. Excluding two short possessions at the end of half and end of game, Bama scored on 5 of their 10 possessions (4 TDs). Scoring drives of 78, 75, 54, 72, and 80 yards.

Our defense didn't hold them at all.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41800 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 10:44 am to
We held them to under 30 because they missed two extra points and coasted late.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41800 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 10:50 am to
Ole Miss beat TT on a neutral field.
They scored just 27 points.
Even SE put up 45 on Miss.

Oh but they are 9th in O do that's OK.
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
29648 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 10:58 am to
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Ole Miss beat TT on a neutral field.
They scored just 27 points.
Even SE put up 45 on Miss.

Oh but they are 9th in O do that's OK.

That’s all said and good, go compare rosters and get back to me. LSU has better athletes across the board. Every position. I brought up Kingsbury because he coached the Manziel game at TAMU and they were never the same offensively after he left.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20145 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 11:12 am to
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We held them to under 30 because they missed two extra points and coasted late.



Two points in reply to this:
1) If I up the threshold by 2 pts it doesn't change the premise in the OP.
2) Bama does not get to assume perfection for the sake of argument. They own their mistakes. Had we a functional offense then their TOP is reduced.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112624 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 11:20 am to
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Now consider the fact Bama played Up for this game... knowing it was the most important game of the regular season
This idea that Bama only tries once per season is way played out.

It's silly.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41800 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 11:25 am to
Manziel made Sumlin and Kingsberry a lot of money.

Compare schedule and the teams TTs plays. Few play D.

There is no magic bullet that beats Bama. Not one guy, one player or one coach.

We need to upgrade our staff and our talent both.

This post was edited on 11/8/18 at 11:28 am
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20145 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 11:25 am to
I think his point was relative to their other games this season their starters played almost the whole game.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
19776 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 2:05 pm to
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Had we a functional offense then their TOP is reduced.
ok, let's assume our offense stayed on the field enough to take away Bama's final two possessions.

That reduces Bama's total offense to 471 yards and reduces the final score to 22-0.

Feel better about the game now?
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20145 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 2:05 pm to
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There is no magic bullet that beats Bama. Not one guy, one player or one coach.


But there are some approaches and schemes that are superior to others.

Had E taken OM's talent in '15 and '16 and shoehorned it into our approach, the results would've looked similar to what you saw last Sat night.

OTOH, a different approach scored 43 pts two seasons in a row. We haven't scored 43 through our last 5 games combined.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170685 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 2:08 pm to
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I agree that scheming is the problem, but if the oline still plays like crap it doesn't matter



I have a hard time believing that a team that ran for over 280 on UGA has a bunch of pussies on the O line. It's scheme.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20145 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 3:30 pm to
quote:

ok, let's assume our offense stayed on the field enough to take away Bama's final two possessions.

That reduces Bama's total offense to 471 yards and reduces the final score to 22-0.

Feel better about the game now?


I didn't introduce the "what if's." I was responding to one who did.

You can research all the the times teams score 22+ pts vs Bama since '08 and report back. That would make us all feel better.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41800 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 4:54 pm to
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I have a hard time believing that a team that ran for over 280 on UGA has a bunch of pussies on the O line. It's scheme.


So the reason the O that ran for 280 versus Ga., but only 12 versus Bama was the scheme.

Now the scheme didn't change from one month to the next, but the opponent did.

Hmmmm
Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2004
7686 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 5:13 pm to
Great, fact-based post. One thing I would add is that there seems to be a "scheme vs. players" schism when it's really both. The players part is not easy but it is simple. You have to recruit like crazy and pay big attention to the OL, and I think most agree that is an area where we can improve going forward.

But the fact remains that our Tigers are still struggling even more than other teams against the Bama D, and it's fair to ask for better than, well, NOTHING with current talent. Alabama is so good that you simply must outscheme them at times to have success, and so far, the Ensminger offenses have failed to do that.
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 10:44 pm to
Now do how many teams have scored 0 points on Alabama.

Twice.

At home.
This post was edited on 11/8/18 at 10:51 pm
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83149 posts
Posted on 11/8/18 at 11:39 pm to
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So the reason the O that ran for 280 versus Ga., but only 12 versus Bama was the scheme.

Now the scheme didn't change from one month to the next, but the opponent did.



For most of a decade now, the LSU offense has been hopeless against Bama. Even with Mett, OBJ, Landry, Hill in 2013, LSU only managed 17. This years performance was not an outlier and even with great talent, the scheme fails.

But the OL has been a patchwork all year.
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