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re: Story I heard from former LSU player about the Miles -> Crowton relationship.
Posted on 6/16/11 at 2:47 pm to lsuman242
Posted on 6/16/11 at 2:47 pm to lsuman242
quote:Sadly, even an intense QB coach won't help one QB in particular to get with the program.... Expect more of the same for 2011.
He is.. and he is much more intense which hopefully helps
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Posted on 6/16/11 at 2:49 pm to willeteal
quote:Half the teams in SEC could beat Da Beers.
Crowton had more talent at LSU than any place he's been at, including The Chicago Bears.
Posted on 6/16/11 at 3:22 pm to EricB
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I know it's only in our best interest to hope that Crowton was the bad man and that our offense will improve dramatically with Krags... but, the other day when I was talking about LSU's offense, a former player was basically saying that "the play calling won't change..." i.e. Krag better be THAT much better of a QB coach / play designer... b/c Miles will still be choosing which plays are called..
On to the story. Gary Crowton kept a running list of every time that he called a play, and then Miles changed it. During one of their end season meetings, Crowton brought it up and Miles thought it was an insignificant number, but then Crowton pulled out his sheet and Miles couldn't believe it as it aparently happened almost every drive every game.
All I need to point to is the fricking screen play twice in three plays @ Ole Miss in '09 and trying to run on 4 WR at the fricking goaline against UT last year to tell me Crowton's offense was a cluster-frick. If I were Miles I'd get more involved too.
Posted on 6/16/11 at 3:46 pm to LSUdm21
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All I need to point to is the fricking screen play twice in three plays @ Ole Miss in '09 and trying to run on 4 WR at the fricking goaline against UT last year to tell me Crowton's offense was a cluster-frick. If I were Miles I'd get more involved too.
BINGO!! We have a winner. Anyone who thinks Crowton wasn't the problem didn't watch these two cluster fricks unfold. Case closed, now please, can we not keep beating this dead horse. Crowton is gone and we will know soon enough if a different OC can get a different result (maybe not since one common denominator will still be JJ but I for one am at least hopeful).
Posted on 6/16/11 at 4:22 pm to steelreign
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Besides, from what I remember, there weren't any short side options in the Spring game.
There wasn't enough time for short side options with the 47 B Gap tosses we ran.
Posted on 6/16/11 at 7:55 pm to EricB
Bigger question is who called the substitution packages? Those were a cluster.
Posted on 6/16/11 at 8:18 pm to CharlesLSU
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Still, looking back at Crowton's track record of beginning strong and fading due to opponent's increased familiarity is hard to ignore.
Posted on 6/16/11 at 8:26 pm to 7thWardTiger
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And i'm pretty sure the tally was brought up during a staff meeting, one that players wouldn't be at.
the first time this rumor popped up was from some key booster that Crowton brought it up at a meeting with Miles and Aleva before the end of the season...supposedly Aleva told Miles to let Crowton call the next game, or some bullshite like that.
Posted on 6/16/11 at 8:41 pm to Acreboy
the plays weren't the problem. the execution was.
Posted on 6/16/11 at 8:48 pm to EricB
It's amazing that the player would know this........
Posted on 6/16/11 at 8:50 pm to peopleschamp
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This is a make or break year for Miles.
Posted on 6/16/11 at 9:10 pm to tigerpawl
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Sadly, even an intense QB coach won't help one QB in particular to get with the program.... Expect more of the same for 2011.
If JJ was going to "get it", you would think he would have figured it out by now. If he doesn't perform any better than last year, it could be a longer year than everyone expects. Let's hope Krags can coach him up enough so he can win when the game is on the line. I think we will be in a lot of close games this year.
Posted on 6/16/11 at 9:21 pm to Acreboy
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his lack of developing a QB was the problem.
This and discipline. I think the well documented downward trend of Crowton's offense have a direct link to weaknessed of both under Crowton.
The Hat is hands-on and will continue to be and while I don't necessarily think that's always a positive I think the teaching and discipline Krags brings will pay some dividends.
Interested to see how much.
Posted on 6/16/11 at 9:29 pm to Tiger Ugly
I'd believe this if Crowton's history wasn't well-known. You can't blame Miles for Crowton's failures at BYU, Chicago, and Oregon, which ironically mirro his production at LSU.
Posted on 6/16/11 at 9:35 pm to Choctaw
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Imagine what type team we'd have if we'd changed to krags last year and this was his 2nd year with Senior laden team. WOW!
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Except most people think he waited a year too long with Crowton.
Imagine what type team we'd have if we'd changed to krags last year and this was his 2nd year with Senior laden team. WOW!
Posted on 6/16/11 at 9:50 pm to Tigerik
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Imagine what type team we'd have if we'd changed to krags last year and this was his 2nd year with Senior laden team. WOW!
Nobody really knows what to expect with Krag, since Miles is still the head man. He's not going to give carte blanche over to any OC.
Posted on 6/16/11 at 11:05 pm to EricB
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On to the story. Gary Crowton kept a running list of every time that he called a play, and then Miles changed it. During one of their end season meetings, Crowton brought it up and Miles thought it was an insignificant number, but then Crowton pulled out his sheet and Miles couldn't believe it as it aparently happened almost every drive every game.
A few of the astute posters on here, stated as such that Miles was doing this and were routinely rebuked by the Ostrich regulars. (Heads in the sand)
Posted on 6/16/11 at 11:33 pm to graychef
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Bigger question is who called the substitution packages? Those were a cluster.
Ding, ding, ding.
Crowton's personnel packages gave his offenses away after year 2 IMO. He tries to get cute and fool teams with his subs. That's why we would have mass subs at really crappy times.
That and his inability to develop a QB is what we saw in 2010.
Posted on 6/16/11 at 11:44 pm to redstick13
Just how good do you think JJ can be? I mean, the basic notion around here is that JJ is under/undeveloped.
Posted on 6/17/11 at 12:18 am to EricB
Crowton didnt bring anything to the table. He doesnt recruit and doesnt coach qbs. Krags does both of those. Les calling plays shoulding really concern anyone. he ran some of thee better offenses lsu has ever had.
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