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re: Stop blaming the coaching staff...

Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:36 pm to
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:36 pm to
ha! who said establishing a passing game was important????
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:37 pm to
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True, but we recruit as well as Bama, so our incoming talent is about the same.
no no no, that's not true at all.
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With little or no talent gap, the difference between us and Bama is coaching (player development, staff, scheme, motivation, etc.).
there's a gap the size of montana in the trenches, where it matters most.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16173 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:37 pm to
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With little or no talent gap, the difference between us and Bama is coaching (player development, staff, scheme, motivation, etc.).


there us a big talent gap especially in the trenches. They've recruited at a much higher level, don't know if you follow recruiting, it's really hasn't even been close. OUr very top level players are probably equal to there very top level players but the difference really shows up in regards to depth. They can send waves of very talented players at us that just beat us down.

But that doesn't mean we can't win, we just can't win with this style of offense that we play.
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
27469 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:38 pm to
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There was no method of game planning or preparation that could have offset what occurred on both lines of scrimmage against Bama. It's that simple.
I can't accept this. You have to have a plan B if the power running game is not working on offense. On defense, you need more guys in the box if you usual alignment is cutting it...
Posted by sjmabry
Texas
Member since Aug 2013
18947 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:38 pm to
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there us a big talent gap especially in the trenches.
They have 5* DL guys who don't see the field until they are juniors. Because our depth is so shitty, we have to play ours at a young age, and lose them to the NFL faster.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16173 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:39 pm to
we need to close out this recruiting class strong, then string together 3-4 more like it and we should be back in the game with them.

Also could overhaul our offense philosophy and get back in it as well.

Probably would be best to do both.
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
83724 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:39 pm to
oh no chicken, HAVE YOU EVER PLAYED FOOSBALL?

WHAT HAVE U ACCOMPLISHED IN YOUR LIFE?!?!?!
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
27469 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:40 pm to
I was one of the best Tecmo Bowl players ever...
Posted by Chris Warner
Perdido Bay
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:42 pm to
The coaches deserves the blame
Posted by STLSU
Hallandale Beach, FL
Member since Dec 2004
14846 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:42 pm to
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
83724 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:43 pm to
the coaches never deserve the blame, if you listen to a few on here.

their gameplans are perfect...it's just that the players screw it up.
Posted by Farkwad
Byzantium
Member since Sep 2010
2669 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:43 pm to
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There was no method of game planning or preparation that could have offset what occurred on both lines of scrimmage against Bama. It's that simple.


Horse shite! The most ridiculous statement of the day. It WAS MOST DEFINITELY LACK OF PROPER GAME PLANNING AND COACHING AND LESLIE SAID AS MUCH!
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
40338 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:44 pm to
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If we really had a shitty coaching staff as a whole, we would have lost before Sat night.



Thinking we have a shitty coaching staff, and blaming the coaching staff for a loss are similar but not the same things. You have a small Brain to to call them the same thing.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16173 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:45 pm to
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I can't accept this. You have to have a plan B if the power running game is not working on offense. On defense, you need more guys in the box if you usual alignment is cutting it...


I don't any scenario where we win that game other than if we would have installed a better offense scheme about 3 years ago. By now it might have been like a fine tuned machine. But yeah, there were a lot of things we could have done different and better in preparation for this game. The idea that we were going to come in and just line up in the I and overpower them (plan A?) is just mind boggling to me. Why were we even lined up in the I formation at all in that game? It's what they wanted to see from us.
Posted by catch26
Rock Island, IL
Member since Nov 2011
530 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:48 pm to
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Not true. 11 of Fournette's runs were into a pre-snap 7+ man box. And, on a majority of his runs, Bama walked a safety up at snap to add another man into the box.

We could have run the same exact run plays into better defensive fronts if we simply used different formations. Want to run off tackle with fournette? Great. Lineup in a 4 wide set with Fournette as a single back. They will have at least 5 men in coverage, leaving a MAX of 6 in the box. More likely is that two safeties stayed in coverage on each side of the formation, leaving just a 5 man box.

We never once tried to do something like this. It's so simple it makes my head hurt.



This is what I don't get either?!?! The formation alone forces you widen your alignment! If they keep their BIG backers in to cover the slots, then we run routes right by them. If they go nickel/dime, we attach them with our rb's. I'll take my chances with LF& having to take on a couple extra dbs vs lbs any day! Not to mention this would open up all sorts of easy passes for our qb & still allow LF7 to go off!
Posted by TigerMac81
Bossier City, LA
Member since Dec 2007
5129 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:48 pm to
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Finally and perhaps most important are the stated Goals of the program. Our AD doesnt believe that its national championships.


Which is another reason (among too many to count) that Alleva should be fired. Actually, the rat bastard should never have been hired in the first place after what he did at Duke.




Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
70011 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:49 pm to
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There was no method of game planning or preparation that could have offset what occurred on both lines of scrimmage against Bama. It's that simple.


Uhm ole piss beat them without their best olinemen
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
40338 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:50 pm to
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I can't accept this. You have to have a plan B if the power running game is not working on offense. On defense, you need more guys in the box if you usual alignment is cutting it


There's something to be said about preparation if their oline dogs our dl and their dl rips our ol's heart out all game.

A large chunk of Ranters think it's a lazy answer to pin it on coaching. But to get manhandled like that and blame it all on the players is foolhardy.

It's simple. Coaching is a yearlong process and Saban gets it.
Posted by The Belk
Member since Oct 2015
549 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:50 pm to
It's the normal LSU fan response. 7-1 and lost to one of the best teams in the country. Fire Miles

Saints lose to a 1-6 team with way less talent and nobody wants to fire Sean P.

Just the world we live in.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
70011 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:53 pm to
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Saints lose to a 1-6 team with way less talent and nobody wants to fire Sean P.


Fire Payton...I have never said fire miles.
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