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re: SQ: If Etling is that good - wouldn't the coaches have seen it in practice?
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:36 pm to SwampdogDC
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:36 pm to SwampdogDC
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Rohan Davey
Yep.
Awful in practice.
Also from the same era, Josh Booty was a practice beast and was average in games and the antithesis of clutch.
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Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:37 pm to slackster
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What does one scrimmage prove? Harris looked better than Etling at the spring game. Both are a drop in the bucket in the overall evaluation process.
Are you against the choice to go with Etling this weekend?? I don't get it. Harris is not getting it done, no if's and's or but's about it. What's your problem?
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:37 pm to bencoleman
"Less was starting BH regardless "
Isn't that much the same you guys were saying last year about Jennings??
Really, how many times do you have to be wrong before you decide not to speak with such an all knowing attitude?
Isn't that much the same you guys were saying last year about Jennings??
Really, how many times do you have to be wrong before you decide not to speak with such an all knowing attitude?
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:38 pm to TigerFan244
Not the same amount of pressure in practice.
To my eyes, Harris's issues are simple to describe. He gets to amped up in game situations which leads to him being in a state of panic. He doesn't seem to read defenses, loses vision on his check downs, overthrows receivers, and lastly rushes everything including his time in the pocket. He bails out of the pocket way to early which leads to busted plays. He never seems to step up in the pocket because he is rushing things. His passes are inaccurate because he is panicked and rushing.
So to answer your question, Harris might look great in low stress practice, but he has never been able to consistently settle down on the field.
I think a lot of folks would agree, Harris has the most physical skills, but his brain and panic get in his way.
The most encouraging difference Ettling showed was calm in the pocket and the ability to continue to read his check downs under pressure.
The only way to see if a qb panics or not in game, is to put them in the game.
To my eyes, Harris's issues are simple to describe. He gets to amped up in game situations which leads to him being in a state of panic. He doesn't seem to read defenses, loses vision on his check downs, overthrows receivers, and lastly rushes everything including his time in the pocket. He bails out of the pocket way to early which leads to busted plays. He never seems to step up in the pocket because he is rushing things. His passes are inaccurate because he is panicked and rushing.
So to answer your question, Harris might look great in low stress practice, but he has never been able to consistently settle down on the field.
I think a lot of folks would agree, Harris has the most physical skills, but his brain and panic get in his way.
The most encouraging difference Ettling showed was calm in the pocket and the ability to continue to read his check downs under pressure.
The only way to see if a qb panics or not in game, is to put them in the game.
This post was edited on 9/15/16 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:38 pm to TigerFan244
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How in the world did BH beat him out for the starting job?
LOL. It was NEVER a competition. Can't see what your not looking at
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:38 pm to foghat
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Miles has tunnel vision. Harris was going to be the starter no matter what.
Not only this, but for some reason, Miles is infatuated with QB's who can run. Once he makes his mind up on someone, to beat him out, you have to trounce him, not just edge him out.
Miles seems to love "measureables" and not performance.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:39 pm to Number 31
Miles is the king, top dog, head honcho or whatever you want to call it. If he wants someone on the field, he can overrule. He seems to have no problem taking over the dogshit offense from Cameron and every other coordinator that he's had.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:40 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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Really, how many times do you have to be wrong before you decide not to speak with such an all knowing attitude
Are you stupid? The way things played out proves my point. You have always been stupid.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:42 pm to slackster
They had some offseason practice film floating around a while back. Etling looked just as good If not better than Harris.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:44 pm to bencoleman
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The way things played out proves my point
well no
if Miles was as stubborn as you all like to claim, he would not have benched Harris 2 series into the 2nd game of the season
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:45 pm to TigerFan244
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How in the world did BH beat him out for the starting job?
BH didn't have to beat out Etling, Etling had to beat out Harris. Harris was the returning starter. If they are equal, Harris plays.
And one quarter of a football game doesn't mean anything. I'm sure you can dial back to 2014 and read positive posts about Brandon Harris versus N M State and v Mississippi State. What happened after that?
But still people tired of the same ole same ole are happy to see a new QB. You never know. Etling may be a guy we need to lead our O to better things. We'll find out a whole lot more against a real opponent Saturday.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:46 pm to LSUMurple
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Harris is fantastic at practice. Once the pressure is on in a real game situation, he is below average. Same curse for Jefferson unfortunately.
This is my impression as well. It seems that Harris > Etling in practice. However, that isn't worth a crap if you can't handle the game time pressure. It seems that it isn't as much as Etling elevating his game from the practice field as it is Harris regressing horribly. Bottom line is that it looks as if Etling can better handle the Saturday pressure.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:46 pm to TigerFan244
Harris was going to start because of more game experience, more knowledge of the playbook and that is just the way Les is. He sticks with a player way too long out of ? loyalty? just the way it is? conservativeness not liking changes?
Do not discount Harris as an athlete with a strong arm and good speed running. He just panics in game situations. It is all in his head which wouldn't necessarily show up in practice.
Do not discount Harris as an athlete with a strong arm and good speed running. He just panics in game situations. It is all in his head which wouldn't necessarily show up in practice.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:47 pm to lsuguru
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Miles is the king, top dog, head honcho or whatever you want to call it. If he wants someone on the field, he can overrule.
Right, and he did just that when he made an executive decision to overrule his DC and play Beckwith over Welter in spite of Chavis' objections.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:48 pm to TexasTiger1185
quote:. By what metric is one more veteran than the other
The decision to go with a more veteran QB isn't crazy.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:48 pm to Howyouluhdat
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Are you against the choice to go with Etling this weekend?? I don't get it. Harris is not getting it done, no if's and's or but's about it. What's your problem?
Huh?
I'm 100% behind Etling.
I'm arguing against the idea that Miles was never going to let Etling play or whatever these idiots think. One scrimmage in April doesn't mean that Miles played the lesser QB even though Etling beat him out in practice.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:49 pm to doubleb
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BH didn't have to beat out Etling, Etling had to beat out Harris. Harris was the returning starter. If they are equal, Harris plays.
People cannot grasp this simple concept.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:49 pm to DTRooster
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By what metric is one more veteran than the other
SEC starts? starts at LSU? Games played? Quarters played?
shall I go on?
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:49 pm to bencoleman
" are you stupid? "
If you want to see stupid, look in your mirror. Stupid will be looking back at you.
If you want to see stupid, look in your mirror. Stupid will be looking back at you.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:50 pm to TigerFan244
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If Etling is that good - wouldn't the coaches have seen it in practice?
In Monday's press luncheon, Miles said:
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“I have to be real honest with you, I don't think we were in the same position. I don't think the team was, and I don't think Danny was. I think that really his -- he really came into -- in the last two weeks, 10 days, into a much higher -- executing at a much higher rate and just understanding more. He's continued to improve.”
This is interesting because Etling practiced with the team all last year as he was sitting out his transfer year. And he didn't learn anything until a week ago?
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