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re: Spinoff: LSU will be screwed under the "playoff" system
Posted on 10/18/13 at 1:49 pm to TigerCub
Posted on 10/18/13 at 1:49 pm to TigerCub
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You're right there will be no accountability at all. They have already said they are going to publish weekly rankings at least 4-5 times during the regular season.
You've got to wonder if there is an ulterior motive in play beyond just getting the four best teams. If not, then why not just use the current BCS formula and take the top four teams from that?
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Posted on 10/18/13 at 1:53 pm to MontanaTiger
Because the rest of college football is tired of getting beaten down by the SEC
Posted on 10/18/13 at 1:58 pm to TheDoc
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Because the rest of college football is tired of getting beaten down by the SEC
So there's an element of "equality," "fairness," and affirmative action regarding their role?
Posted on 10/18/13 at 1:59 pm to tigerfoot
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So now we are in favor of non conference champs getting a shot? I know we used to hate it, but now we want it?
Not me, I would rather no playoff.
But IF there was a playoff, I would rather 8 teams, with the P5 conference champions getting auto bids, and the champions of the top 3 minor conferences getting bids.
No 'byes', no 'wild-cards', just a Tournament of Champions.
The LAST thing I want to see happen is the dissolution of the SEC to form some big super conferences all in the attempt to make college football more like the NFL.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 2:01 pm to DadFanAlum
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The committee will determine the top 4 teams. They aren't bound by any poll, or ranking; they won't need to account for how they evaluated strength of schedule. They have carte blanche to do whatever they want.
The whole purpose of the playoff is to PREVENT Sec schools from dominating like they did under the fair and dispassionate computers of the BCS. You're going to see a return to people in love with tOSU, Michigan, ND, USC, etc. picking them as the top 4 in the country if they have a pulse at season's end. I can guarantee you there will NEVER be an acknowledgement that two SEC schools are in the top 4 and both make the playoff.
This committee is even worse than the old-old system of the AP selecting the champ. At least there were so many sportswriters that all schools had a chance of their quality being recognized. This playoff system will accomplish nothing other than shifting the controversy from "who should be #2?" to "who should have been #4?"
Because LSU is not a media darling, and certainly not a favorite of any of the committee members, will have to be undefeated (not even one loss) to even sniff a championship under the playoff system.
While your rhetoric is a bit shrill and hypebrolic, I generally agree that the committee system will be rife with controversy and will reach unjust, arbitrary results based in part upon extraneous criteria that have no relation to football merit.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 2:06 pm to DadFanAlum
quote:I said from day 1 that this is the reason I am opposed to the playoff system.
The committee will determine the top 4 teams. They aren't bound by any poll, or ranking; they won't need to account for how they evaluated strength of schedule. They have carte blanche to do whatever they want.
No criteria, no accountability, no oversight. . .
That is deal breaking, in my mind
Posted on 10/18/13 at 2:06 pm to DadFanAlum
condelezza went to Stanford. so pac 1 gets a place.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 2:07 pm to DadFanAlum
The playoff "system" will be the express elevator to CFB hell. This committee has no more expertise in picking the "top 4 teams" than do many other so-called experts. Have the criteria for judging the teams been published? Who picked the committee? How were they picked?
I may have said this before, but I think that the top 4 teams should be decided after the bowls are over and the last BCS ranking is finished. Then 1 plays 4 and 2 plays 3. The winners meet in the championship game. The bowl season needs to be shortened and the idiotic delay between the regular season and bowls should be shortened to about 2 weeks max. The lesser bowls can do whatever they and the networks would like, but the BCS top four play for it all.
I may have said this before, but I think that the top 4 teams should be decided after the bowls are over and the last BCS ranking is finished. Then 1 plays 4 and 2 plays 3. The winners meet in the championship game. The bowl season needs to be shortened and the idiotic delay between the regular season and bowls should be shortened to about 2 weeks max. The lesser bowls can do whatever they and the networks would like, but the BCS top four play for it all.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 2:14 pm to White Tiger
I personally would rather one team per conference. I think the regular season settles the conference debate enough. I mean the regular season already is a tournament/playoff to determine the conference's best team. Why can't that be respected?
This playoff will only help the Bama, UT, OU, ND, and OSUs of the NCAA get more opportunities.
I think the committee is dumb. I would have targeted just have the computers select the and seed the top 4 conference winners. It would have been a nice objective development. No more MNC. The stupid human polls could easily rank the meaningless 2-25 afterwards.
My point is that people need to get over the multiple teams from on conference in the playoffs. Just consider the season as their first round to get in over their conference opponents.
This playoff will only help the Bama, UT, OU, ND, and OSUs of the NCAA get more opportunities.
I think the committee is dumb. I would have targeted just have the computers select the and seed the top 4 conference winners. It would have been a nice objective development. No more MNC. The stupid human polls could easily rank the meaningless 2-25 afterwards.
My point is that people need to get over the multiple teams from on conference in the playoffs. Just consider the season as their first round to get in over their conference opponents.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 2:28 pm to DadFanAlum
This may have been answered already, but...
Will the "panel members"'s polls/picks be anonymous? They won't give their true rankings if they are published.
Will the "panel members"'s polls/picks be anonymous? They won't give their true rankings if they are published.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 2:31 pm to SG_Geaux
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16 teams is the only way to go
WRONG
The vast majority of season, there are only 3 or 4 teams really worthy of title discussion.
Which is usually a Boise State or TCU or Louisville.
Under the current or even 4-8 team playoff scenario, they go 13-0 and beat a Florida(UL) or Oklahoma(Boise) or LSU(Clemson) that could not give half a shite about the bowl they are in. Then they say "we shoulda been in the NC!"
Those teams need to find out in a real playoff scenario that they don't belong.
This post was edited on 10/18/13 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 10/18/13 at 2:31 pm to DadFanAlum
There is just no pleasing some people
Posted on 10/18/13 at 2:39 pm to DadFanAlum
With the new playoff system, the SEC is guaranteed to be included every year. What more can the SEC or LSU possibly want?
Multiple teams from the same BCS conference will be very rare, just as before.
Multiple teams from the same BCS conference will be very rare, just as before.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 2:43 pm to ballscaster
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Clearly you don't know too much about how conference membership is attained.
By all means, fill me in. Isn't Notre Dame already set to be affiliated with the ACC? Aren't they going to be a member in all sports except for football and are already contractually obligated to play a certain amount of football games against ACC Opponents every season? It would be sooooooooo hard for them to gain full membership. Like I said, none of the other teams w/o a conference matter. Please name one with a shot at making the playoffs.
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Doesn't matter. Not all teams are in conferences, and a conference championship does not in indicate a team's entire season. Conference affiliation should be completely ignored.
So what? It indicates the part that matters. Look around the country at these non conference schedules and at best you'll see a school step up in competition once. Non-conference games have become college football's equivalent of pre-season. Bama should not get credit for playing V-Tech then mauling 3 cupcakes.
If you play in a power conference the vast majority of your competition comes from within. Your conference schedule is essentially the first round of the playoffs. If you can't play through that schedule and win your conference then you should not expect to be placed in the playoffs. Not saying there should be a rule that says you can't; I'm just saying you have no right to be butthurt about not getting in.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 2:50 pm to blackjackjackson
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condelezza went to Stanford
Condoleezza went to University of Denver and Notre Dame.
She currently is a political science professor at Stanford.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 3:19 pm to CecilShortsHisPants
Montana is 100% correct!!
If they wanted to be fair why not take the top 4 in the BCS poll?
They could not beat us on the field so they created this
If they wanted to be fair why not take the top 4 in the BCS poll?
They could not beat us on the field so they created this
Posted on 10/18/13 at 3:25 pm to Lifetigerfan
No better champ is decided in sports than the champ decided by the BCS.
Body of work, season long of ramifications, and the best two teams are almost always on the field.
Look at some of the weak champions that huge tournaments have awarded. shite like Fresno State winning the baseball NC a few years back, a damn shame.
Body of work, season long of ramifications, and the best two teams are almost always on the field.
Look at some of the weak champions that huge tournaments have awarded. shite like Fresno State winning the baseball NC a few years back, a damn shame.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 3:43 pm to The312
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While your rhetoric is a bit shrill and hypebrolic, I generally agree that the committee system will be rife with controversy and will reach unjust, arbitrary results based in part upon extraneous criteria that have no relation to football merit.
Thank you, Mr. Spock.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 3:48 pm to MontanaTiger
Montana is right. Changing the number of teams selected (from two to four) should not require the dismantlement of the BCS formula in general, unless you want to take other non-merit considerations into account, like geography, fan-base, media favorites, etc.
As cynical as this may seem, I don't think LSU would make the playoffs at 11-1 if it didn't win the SEC West, but I do think Alabama would be invited to the dance under the precise same scenario, as it was in 2011. And I fear the predictions of underperforming champions from the Big Ten and Pac 12 will be invited are all too true.
But if we are really trying to predict how the SEC will get screwed by the new playoffs, I will go on record that IF two SEC teams are ever invited to the four-team playoff, they will have to play each other in the semis. They won't be on opposite sides of the bracket so as to eliminate any possibility of an all SEC final.
As cynical as this may seem, I don't think LSU would make the playoffs at 11-1 if it didn't win the SEC West, but I do think Alabama would be invited to the dance under the precise same scenario, as it was in 2011. And I fear the predictions of underperforming champions from the Big Ten and Pac 12 will be invited are all too true.
But if we are really trying to predict how the SEC will get screwed by the new playoffs, I will go on record that IF two SEC teams are ever invited to the four-team playoff, they will have to play each other in the semis. They won't be on opposite sides of the bracket so as to eliminate any possibility of an all SEC final.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 6:03 pm to Msgulfcoasttiger
They have gone from objective to subjective and bias based system. Life should be fair!! We can't let the final be all sec and we can't let the sec win it every year that's not fair to ohio state!
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