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re: Spinoff: LSU will be screwed under the "playoff" system
Posted on 10/18/13 at 10:42 am to DadFanAlum
Posted on 10/18/13 at 10:42 am to DadFanAlum
This issue will open the door for 8 teams or more in the playoff group. There will be so much grinding and gnashing of teeth because of the selection committee subjectivity that the field will be expanded to 8 or 12 teams in the next 5 years or less.
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Posted on 10/18/13 at 10:44 am to alajones
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Only one SEC team should be in and it should be the Champion, assuming they have a comparable record to the other 3 invitees.
This
Posted on 10/18/13 at 10:44 am to DadFanAlum
The playoff system will stay 4 teams for about a year. Then the Louisville's of the world will cry for an 8 team playoff.
Think long term man.
Think long term man.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 10:45 am to H-Town Tiger
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remind again what team went from #7 to #2 the last week of the season and made the BCS CG with 2 loses?
A team that just won the SEC championship while the remaining teams in front shite the bed. Didn't have much to do with the media, if anything.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 10:49 am to Jrv2damac
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A team that just won the SEC championship while the remaining teams in front shite the bed.
OU also won their CCG (over the then #1 team) that same day.
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Didn't have much to do with the media, if anything
Did you watch ESPN that night? Most of the hosts were all arguing for LSU. It is dishonest for LSU fans to claim media hype helped Bama get in in 2011 and ignore the same thing happened for LSU in 2007.
This post was edited on 10/18/13 at 10:51 am
Posted on 10/18/13 at 10:52 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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When Bama inevitably fails again to win the SECW, if they have one loss, they will get the media darling treatment just as 2011. Bama and maybe UF will be the ONLY SEC schools that will be allowed in the playoff without having to win the SEC.
This may happen, but I doubt it. The $$$ wants no chance of a SEC-SEC championship game. If Bama is enough of a media darling to make it with one loss, no other SEC school will be allowed to dance.
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Nope. LSU's criteria will be:
1) Win the SEC
2) Have less than two losses
It will have to be a combo of both of those.
I hope you're right but I think you're wrong.
The committee, if existing this year, would probably pick an undefeated tOSU, undefeated FSU/Clemson winner and Oregon (despite the fact that a 1 loss LSU SEC champ played a much tougher schedule than any of those teams, and would have beat #1 Bama and #6 TAMU). LSU would be in consideration for the 4th spot at best, and there would be a lot of sentiment for Louisville. I still think we'll need to be undefeated, SEC champ or not, to ensure top 4 status under the playoff system. And a deserving 1 loss SEC runner up with a much tougher schedule will be out in the cold.
You see, we have now returned to the problem we had pre-bcs: The SEC schools ended up being a cluster of 1 loss teams almost every season, with warts exposed by our tough schedules. We got passed over in the beauty contest.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 11:08 am to DadFanAlum
You dumb
Posted on 10/18/13 at 11:13 am to DadFanAlum
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You see, we have now returned to the problem we had pre-bcs: The SEC schools ended up being a cluster of 1 loss teams almost every season, with warts exposed by our tough schedules. We got passed over in the beauty contest.
Well, what the SEC needs to do then is assign an alum from one of the top schools to rig the conference schedule to where that program has the easiest run at an unbeaten season.
Oh wait...
Posted on 10/18/13 at 11:15 am to DadFanAlum
quote:I agree with you to a large degree. I the the current system benefits us more than the new one will. If it comes down to just humans deciding its worse than the old AP trophies because its a lot fewer voters. And given that fact they may be more susceptible to subtle exterior influences.
DadFanAlum
Posted on 10/18/13 at 11:19 am to DadFanAlum
what you say is possible but at this point who knows? all of the "major" conferences are represented on this committee. i think there will be NO 2 teams from the same conference as long as it remains a 4 team playoff. either 3 or 4 of the final teams will be from different conferences (major)and you can book it the "lesser" conferences will scream to high heaven, and threats of a lawsuit will bring louisiville and boise to the table at times. the SEC winner will have a seat at the table whenever they are ranked in the top 3 whether they are 1 loss or not.
i agree this system was motivated by the SEC dominance and the LSU/bama matchup was the catalyst for change. the other conferences want their share of the pie. the SEC will not have a top 4 team every year you can book that.
i agree this system was motivated by the SEC dominance and the LSU/bama matchup was the catalyst for change. the other conferences want their share of the pie. the SEC will not have a top 4 team every year you can book that.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 11:31 am to LSU GrandDad
Think of this:
LSU goes undefeated in the regular season and wins the sec championship
Gets paired up with ohio state in the first round and has to play Alabama again
Rinse lather repeat
LSU goes undefeated in the regular season and wins the sec championship
Gets paired up with ohio state in the first round and has to play Alabama again
Rinse lather repeat
Posted on 10/18/13 at 11:36 am to TigerCub
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The BCS comes out at midseason (as should all the polls) right now anyway.
What does that even mean, "as should all the polls"?
Posted on 10/18/13 at 11:41 am to Dudebro2
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I personally feel that the committee will want to get this thing right in order to expand this to an 8 team playoff.
You have this backwards imo. Getting it right, and everyone will only talk about how great it is and how they should have done it sooner. Get it wrong in a controversial way, and everyone will talk about how they need to expand it to avoid "deserving" teams being left out.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 12:08 pm to H-Town Tiger
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OU also won their CCG (over the then #1 team) that same day.
Eh..they were too far back. When you take the two teams, anyone who isn't blatantly biased knew LSU had a better overall resume (back when it mattered)
I see where you're coming from...but LSU didn't get in solely because of the media
Posted on 10/18/13 at 12:08 pm to DadFanAlum
I know this is a wildly unpopular opinion, but I think a requirement to be in the playoff is that you have to win your conference. How can you say that you are the best team in the country when you aren't even the best team in your conference?
Yes, the SEC is a better conference top to bottom than the ACC, Big 12, Big 10, Pac 12, etc, but that doesn't mean that the playoffs should be stacked with our silver & bronze medalists.
Yes, the SEC is a better conference top to bottom than the ACC, Big 12, Big 10, Pac 12, etc, but that doesn't mean that the playoffs should be stacked with our silver & bronze medalists.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 12:14 pm to DadFanAlum
If you don't win your conference, you shouldn't go to the playoffs. Period. If LSU wins the SEC, we're in. If we don't, we shouldn't go. There will always be a spot for the SEC Champion in the playoffs. And last I checked, we have complete control over whether we win the SEC or not.
Maybe one year we'll have a one or two loss LSU team miss out that we feel is better than someone else who made the playoff but it is what it is. 10-6 teams miss out on the NFL playoffs all the time and maybe some 8-8 or 9-7 team goes b/c their in a diferent division/conference.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 12:17 pm to DadFanAlum
Love the narcissism threads.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 12:21 pm to DamnStrong1860
quote:Not a good point. Not all teams are in conferences, so putting this requirement on some teams but not others is silly. Also, a conference championship represents only 2/3 to 3/4 of a team's season (whereas in the pro leagues, a division championship accounts for all games played). All games count equally. Take the top four in the nation regardless of conference affiliation.
If you don't win your conference, you shouldn't go to the playoffs. Period.
There's a reason that a conference championship has never been required to get into the title game, and if people would actually think about it for a bit, they'd realize why.
Posted on 10/18/13 at 12:24 pm to Meathead
quote:There are multiple instances of the best team in a conference not winning its conference title.
How can you say that you are the best team in the country when you aren't even the best team in your conference?
A conference championship takes into account 8 or 9 games and disregards the other 3 or 4. Simple arithmetic tells you that the remaining 3 or 4 games can produce a variance that indicates that the conference champion isn't the best overall team.
This post was edited on 10/18/13 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 10/18/13 at 12:34 pm to ballscaster
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Not all teams are in conferences, so putting this requirement on some teams but not others is silly.
There's only one team in the country not affiliated with a conference who will ever have a shot at a national title. Make them join the ACC or Big 10 and problem solved.
That said, maybe I should have phrased it differently. "shouldn't go" is probably too harsh. The point I really wanted to make is that if you don't win your conference you should have no expectation of making the championship game. Maybe it can happen if you have an otherwise exceptional season but if it doesn't, you shouldn't gripe about it because you had your chance. Especially if you play in a league like the SEC which is all but guaranteed a spot in the playoffs every year.
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