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re: Somebody inform BK that LSU was the official 2003 national champs

Posted on 8/26/24 at 4:07 pm to
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 8/26/24 at 4:07 pm to
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So, lsu has both a bcs trophy and a coaches poll trophy?
No
Posted by saturncube21
Member since Nov 2015
10695 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 4:25 pm to
So, did USC get a AP NC trophy?
This post was edited on 8/26/24 at 4:44 pm
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
70383 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 5:07 pm to
LSU coaches have been fired for less.
Posted by litenin
Houston
Member since Mar 2016
2650 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 5:08 pm to
Agreed, also that the AP voters were attempting to create controversy to stay relevant in that early era of BCS. They were pissed that nobody paid attention to them anymore.

LSU may have technically shared the 2003 title but was the 100% champion of the season.

Posted by Mandtgr47
Member since Aug 2024
7918 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 5:15 pm to
Okay Mr. smart and educated guy, I know most of us aren't worthy, but let me try to explain it to you:

1. All college teams agreed and signed a contract that the BCS would determine the teams in the BCS National Championship game.
2. The BCS was made up of three different elements, the AP Polls, The coaches Poll, and the BCS formula.
3. The BCS determined through its criteria that LSU and OU were the two teams that met all requirements, and they were selected to play one another for the BCS National Championship.
4. LSU won that game.
5. The AP poll, like the coaches poll, was just part of the calculation to determine the top two teams.
6. Once the BCS committee selected LSU and OU, all the other polls were irrelevant.
7. The AP did select USC because many felt it should have been USC against LSU, not OU. But, that may as well been the NYT poll, or any other random poll. The BCS National Champion, based upon the agreement with ALL colleges, awarded LSU with the BCS National Championship.
8. Also, That coaches trophy is not the same as the BCS National Championship Trophy.
Posted by Mandtgr47
Member since Aug 2024
7918 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 5:17 pm to
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LSU may have technically shared the 2003 title but was the 100% champion of the season.



All colleges agreed to the BCS format to award the BCS National Champion. The AP was irrelevant once the AP, like the coaches poll, was used to determine the 2 teams in the BCS Championship.

Yes, LSU was 100% the National Champion in 2003. I don't care what other polls awarded it to someone else.
Posted by NorthshoreTiger76
Pelicans, Saints, & LSU Fan
Member since May 2009
83435 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 5:24 pm to
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That was such a great championship trophy. Need to bring it back.


lol it’s still given away every year.
Posted by Mandtgr47
Member since Aug 2024
7918 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 5:35 pm to
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lol it’s still given away every year.


so it says BCS National Champion on it?
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
30371 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 5:45 pm to
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so it says BCS National Champion on it?
No, there was never any such thing as a BCS trophy. They just began awarding the coaches trophy on the field during the BCS era since they were obligated to vote the winner #1.
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Also, That coaches trophy is not the same as the BCS National Championship Trophy.
Wrong
This post was edited on 8/26/24 at 5:46 pm
Posted by JCPegasus
Member since Jun 2019
90 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 6:11 pm to
But only one team won the only national title game played that year.
Posted by Juan Betanzos
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2005
3566 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 6:16 pm to
It’s “mind games”…… making them feel over confident & like they have a chance.
Posted by Mayhawman
Somewhere in the middle of SEC West
Member since Dec 2009
10452 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 11:31 pm to
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the only ones on this board smart enough and educated enough to understand this concept
Smart enough???
Which 2 teams actually competed for the nat champ that year........you know the legit title game agreed on by the conferences?
I guess you'd rather go back to sportswriter voting championships?
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
4182 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 11:59 pm to
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1. All college teams agreed and signed a contract that the BCS would determine the teams in the BCS National Championship game.


The conferences agreed to a contract with the BCS to assign teams to bowls including the BCS title game. There was zero language in the contract that defined that game as the sole determinant of the national title, only an agreement with the Coaches’ Poll that they would name the game’s winner their champion.

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5. The AP poll, like the coaches poll, was just part of the calculation to determine the top two teams.


Why then was it necessary to get agreement from the Coaches’ Poll to crown the winner of the game their champion and present their trophy on the field? If the polls were truly obsolete, that would have been irrelevant. That agreement shows the legitimacy of the title was still tied to the poll system.

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7. The AP did select USC because many felt it should have been USC against LSU


They selected USC #1 because they had USC ranked #1 headed into the bowls and had ranked USC ahead of LSU every week since the Florida loss.

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8. Also, That coaches trophy is not the same as the BCS National Championship Trophy.


It is the same and the fact that you don’t know that only sheds further light on the other details you have factually incorrect.
This post was edited on 8/27/24 at 12:00 am
Posted by TulaneLSU
Member since Aug 2003
Member since Dec 2007
13607 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 12:30 am to
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1. All college teams agreed and signed a contract that the BCS would determine the teams in the BCS National Championship game. 2. The BCS was made up of three different elements, the AP Polls, The coaches Poll, and the BCS formula. 3. The BCS determined through its criteria that LSU and OU were the two teams that met all requirements, and they were selected to play one another for the BCS National Championship. 4. LSU won that game. 5. The AP poll, like the coaches poll, was just part of the calculation to determine the top two teams. 6. Once the BCS committee selected LSU and OU, all the other polls were irrelevant. 7. The AP did select USC because many felt it should have been USC against LSU, not OU. But, that may as well been the NYT poll, or any other random poll. The BCS National Champion, based upon the agreement with ALL colleges, awarded LSU with the BCS National Championship. 8. Also, That coaches trophy is not the same as the BCS National Championship Trophy.


Friend,

I would appreciate it if you would cite my argument the next time you use my words. It is quite odd to see people quoting an essay I wrote in one night 21 years later. I was but a youngster having finished a year at Tulane, and that summer Ms. Mae died. I became a streetcar conductor, which gave me ample time to waste on something as insignificant as college football. I saw the injustice the media pushed against LSU and wrote that essay. While it is true that USC has zero legit titles in football since Jimmy Carter was President, I do not see the point in making USC homeburgers feel bad about it.

Yours,
TulaneLSU

This post was edited on 8/27/24 at 12:41 am
Posted by Victry4LSU
Member since Jun 2006
552 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 12:41 am to
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The AP Poll

Team A) Final record 12-2 Played 5 AP ranked teams, 3-2 vs AP, 0 losses vs unranked, SOS #11 (BCS)
Team B) Final record 13-1 Played 6 AP ranked teams, 5-1 vs AP, 0 losses vs unranked, SOS #29
Team C) Final record 12-1 Played 2 AP ranked teams, 2-0 vs AP, 1 loss vs unranked, SOS #37

AP chooses Team C as their champion, The team that played less AP ranked teams, the team that beat less AP ranked teams, the team that lost to an unranked team, the team that played the easiest schedule of the 3 according to their poll and the BCS formula. Seems to me they disrespected and showed how worthless their AP poll was.
Posted by Victry4LSU
Member since Jun 2006
552 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 12:53 am to
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They selected USC #1 because they had USC ranked #1 headed into the bowls and had ranked USC ahead of LSU every week since the Florida loss.

Headed into the bowls, USC has only played 1 AP ranked team, Wash St, and even lost to an unranked team. OU has played 4 AP ranked teams and LSU played 5 AP ranked teams, both OU and LSU had better records and better sos according to both the AP poll and BCS formula. So why was USC ranked ahead of 2 teams with a better resume at that point?
Posted by Mayhawman
Somewhere in the middle of SEC West
Member since Dec 2009
10452 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 1:07 am to
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So why was USC ranked ahead of 2 teams with a better resume at that point?

left coast/ blueblood bias
Posted by BigNastyTiger417
Member since Nov 2021
5077 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 6:31 am to
No, there was never any such thing as a BCS trophy. They just began awarding the coaches trophy on the field during the BCS era since they were obligated to vote the winner #1.

- actually, the National Championship trophy states
“USA Today/ESPN, Top 25, Coaches Poll, Bowl Championship Series
Posted by Mandtgr47
Member since Aug 2024
7918 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 6:55 am to
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MikeTheTiger71


Bless your heart is all I am going to say. Wow
Posted by Mandtgr47
Member since Aug 2024
7918 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 6:58 am to
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I would appreciate it if you would cite my argument the next time you use my words. It is quite odd to see people quoting an essay I wrote in one night 21 years later.


LOL. I was just stating the facts. There are apparently a couple in this thread that are adamant that LSU wasn't the real and agreed upon National Champs. As you know, it was agreed upon by all of college football that the BCS would determine who would play in the BCS NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME.....and part of their process was using the AP and USA today polls. LSU VS OU was the BCS National Championship Game. LSU won. LSU was the BCS National Champion. End of Discussion.
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