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re: Some questions for you (the ticket holder) regarding paying players.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:50 pm to LSUStar
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:50 pm to LSUStar
quite the jump you made there - no players, huh...hahahahaha
yeah, you are off in your own world responding to some other poster.
yeah, you are off in your own world responding to some other poster.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 2:53 pm
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Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:52 pm to J2thaROC
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It will never come to this at the college level. Any talk of this is just ignorant.
ahh, the evolution of this and how this may open up a Pandora's box is "ignorant" by the mere fact its being discussed?
the irony is astounding.
You won't be happy with much sports radio today.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:54 pm to ImayGoLesMiles
again, players aren't playing for free as it already stands.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 3:06 pm to GeorgeWest
What authority does the NCAA have to restrict someone from making money? Can anyone answer this?
Posted on 10/29/19 at 3:07 pm to prplngldtigr
Still no answer for my question. Attack the questioner.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 3:34 pm to LSUStar
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What authority does the NCAA have to restrict someone from making money? Can anyone answer this?
They don't. But currently every single athlete in the NCAA could go out tomorrow and rack up all the endorsements they want. And god dammit this is America and I support them. If I had a business I'd love to get some of those well known guys to help me sell my product. But then they become inelligible to participate in a PRIVATE organization. What right does the government have to tell the NCAA what rules they can impose on their voluntary members? None, that's what. Nobody is forced to participate in college athletics. The NCAA wants to be an amateur league. If you want to make money playing football, wait 3 years and join the NFL, or join any of the worlds other professional leagues. It's actually very simple. The NCAA just provides the most value outside of any league that isn't the NFL. That's why the kids flock to it.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 4:05 pm to jlovel7
I agree with what you posted above.
LSUStar, I agree that the free-market should be accessible to whatever level your skills might dictate, however, the NCAA is a governing body for members that voluntarily commit to it's rules and regulations.
As jlovel stated, go hit up the free-market and get paid, but the NCAA requires its members to maintain an amateur status - which,repeatedly isnt acknowledged in this debate is the value of what college athletes receive in total. Athletes ARE compensated in numerous ways outside of the already AGREED to scholarship.
LSUStar, I agree that the free-market should be accessible to whatever level your skills might dictate, however, the NCAA is a governing body for members that voluntarily commit to it's rules and regulations.
As jlovel stated, go hit up the free-market and get paid, but the NCAA requires its members to maintain an amateur status - which,repeatedly isnt acknowledged in this debate is the value of what college athletes receive in total. Athletes ARE compensated in numerous ways outside of the already AGREED to scholarship.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 10/29/19 at 4:26 pm to jlovel7
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The players now should pay tuition, room and board, faciltites fees, etc.. whatever other costs the school incurs to promote these kids. They want profits? Well welcome to costs as well. They will probably back off.
What's the difference between an college aged actor or model being on academic scholarship and raking in millions?
Or being on scholarship and being a genius and coming up with an invention a being paid millions?
Posted on 10/29/19 at 4:31 pm to LSUStar
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What authority does the NCAA have to restrict someone from making money? Can anyone answer this?
Actually, its in violation of law (federal/state) to do what they are doing... right off the top of my head the Sherman Act. The schools/NCAA should not be colluding to restrict trade, its anti-trust, fraud and corruption. So... to answer your question, its not about authority... they are currently in violation of all kinds of federal and state laws that could land people in the pokey.
As to the OP, the schools still have ownership of school's images, etc.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 10/29/19 at 7:15 pm to jlovel7
What authority does this PRIVATE organization have? How does it come by this authority? If you can understand this you may begin to understand what really goes on in this world.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 7:20 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
Got no problem with the school owning its logo etc. And you are correct it is 100% anti-trust/collusion BUT the FEDS do nothing. Why do you think that is?
Posted on 10/29/19 at 8:03 pm to prplngldtigr
The NCAA and all the people trumpeting the NCAA's "amateurism" line of thought fundamentally misunderstand basic economic principles. If demand exists and people are willing to pay for something, they will pay and people will collect. For revenue sports, NCAA amateurism rules have very little to do with competitive balance and protecting the sanctity of the concept of the "student athlete." Instead, the protect member institutions' and the Association's profits.
Sorry to vent, but paying student athletes is not bad for collegiate athletics. It would be bad for athletic administrations and the NCAA because they will have higher overhead.
We will see virtually no impact on viewers or recruiting, there will just be fewer team rooms with ridiculous amenities and more athletes with some disposable income.
Sorry to vent, but paying student athletes is not bad for collegiate athletics. It would be bad for athletic administrations and the NCAA because they will have higher overhead.
We will see virtually no impact on viewers or recruiting, there will just be fewer team rooms with ridiculous amenities and more athletes with some disposable income.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 8:19 pm to prplngldtigr
Yeah...Burrow can wear purple and gold; that’s not trademarked or copyrighted. You could keep them from wearing school gear, but why would LSU not work jointly with the player on endorsements that represent the university well?
People are so salty over this for no reason.
I get that there are concerns over imbalance among programs, but I don’t understand all the jealousy from fans such as:
“they should now pay tuition”, or
“they shouldn’t wear school logos”
If an academic scholarship recipient has a side job in college based on their relationship with the school, we applaud them. No one screams about them deducting anything from their full ride. While I was on a full ride academic for architecture I worked side jobs—set up for me by my professors—doing CADD work and computer simulations. One job was done using school computers and software...
Should be the same for the athlete, but it isn’t.
“Specific players don’t sell additional tickets”...
BS. Darren McFadden made Arkansas a must-watch team. Sure, LF7 played for a team that routinely sells out the stadium, but RG3 absolutely helped Baylor put butts in the stands.
People are so salty over this for no reason.
I get that there are concerns over imbalance among programs, but I don’t understand all the jealousy from fans such as:
“they should now pay tuition”, or
“they shouldn’t wear school logos”
If an academic scholarship recipient has a side job in college based on their relationship with the school, we applaud them. No one screams about them deducting anything from their full ride. While I was on a full ride academic for architecture I worked side jobs—set up for me by my professors—doing CADD work and computer simulations. One job was done using school computers and software...
Should be the same for the athlete, but it isn’t.
“Specific players don’t sell additional tickets”...
BS. Darren McFadden made Arkansas a must-watch team. Sure, LF7 played for a team that routinely sells out the stadium, but RG3 absolutely helped Baylor put butts in the stands.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 8:21 pm to LSUStar
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What authority does this PRIVATE organization have? How does it come by this authority? If you can understand this you may begin to understand what really goes on in this world.
It’s members who are voluntarily associated with the NCAA
how else would it possibly work 
Posted on 10/29/19 at 8:43 pm to prplngldtigr
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go head and use your likeness and image, but you cannot use that image in conjunction with any imagery associated with the university.
Why? What are you so against this?
Posted on 10/29/19 at 9:03 pm to prplngldtigr
Wait why couldn’t both the player AND the university be paid for a player’s likeness and university trademark imagery?
Posted on 10/29/19 at 9:06 pm to ImayGoLesMiles
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They should be treated like any other citizens in this nation. That's what I think. I don't know why they've always been held back innthe first place. Makes no sense to me why this took so long honestly. They were treated like they were different just because they were blessed with God given athletic abilities lol, that's fricked up. They deserve to profit off of their likeness like anyone else can.
Nothing is holding them back except the ability to compete in a voluntary and private league. Why do so many people think the NCAA is some tyrannical organization from which these players have no escape?
Posted on 10/29/19 at 9:23 pm to prplngldtigr
I'm trying to upvote/downvote but you go too many things to decide how to vote..... 
Posted on 10/29/19 at 9:24 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Because the argument many of the more outspoken players/former players make is that the universities are making massive profits off the blood, sweat and tears of the exploited athlete.
It’s simply not true.
College athletes come and go yearly and yet winning programs maintain their numbers regardless of the imagery/likeness/ abilities of a single star player.
Someone brought up McFadden and Robert Griffin earlier in this thread and the supposition that more tickets were sold based on those players and not the winning those programs experienced at the time.
Star players on bad teams don’t sell tickets.
Winning brings attendance. Great players can definitely help bring that about, however, many programs transcend the importance of the individual player and just continue to win year in , year out with a different roster.
This whole idea that the player is entitled to profit off his image is fair
, but from a principled standpoint the image is worthless without the context of the program the athlete is a player.
As for why can’t both the player and program profit off endorsement agreements - that’s simply one step closer to being a professional athlete.
It’s simply not true.
College athletes come and go yearly and yet winning programs maintain their numbers regardless of the imagery/likeness/ abilities of a single star player.
Someone brought up McFadden and Robert Griffin earlier in this thread and the supposition that more tickets were sold based on those players and not the winning those programs experienced at the time.
Star players on bad teams don’t sell tickets.
Winning brings attendance. Great players can definitely help bring that about, however, many programs transcend the importance of the individual player and just continue to win year in , year out with a different roster.
This whole idea that the player is entitled to profit off his image is fair
, but from a principled standpoint the image is worthless without the context of the program the athlete is a player.
As for why can’t both the player and program profit off endorsement agreements - that’s simply one step closer to being a professional athlete.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 10:45 pm to LSUStar
How about high school athletes? Should they get a cut of the gate and concessions?
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