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re: Some Perspective on the QB Situation

Posted on 12/29/22 at 4:43 pm to
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 12/29/22 at 4:43 pm to
Yes to say Nuss is definitely a star or much better is jumping the gun. I think what most people want is him to get a fair shot. Look at the progression of the QB situation, Nuss was clearly better in the spring game then he’s with the 1s in fall until he gets hurt like 12 days before the opener and JD is named the starter a week later. Now after seeing him vs UGA you can’t pretend there’s some giant gap between them so of course people are curious. That’s what’s getting lost with fans taking sides and retreating to corners.
This post was edited on 12/29/22 at 4:45 pm
Posted by Double Down
Mayor of St. George
Member since Dec 2007
7499 posts
Posted on 12/29/22 at 4:58 pm to
Solid post op. Too bad most posters are either trolls or too stupid to understand how good the kid is.
Posted by The Boat
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Posted on 12/29/22 at 5:12 pm to
My phone thinks OP’s username is a phone number
Posted by des4271
Member since Oct 2014
4328 posts
Posted on 12/29/22 at 5:27 pm to
There’s just as many irrational people on both sides of this argument, if you can’t admit that, then you’re part of the problem.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
21851 posts
Posted on 12/29/22 at 5:34 pm to
quote:

Fact, if JD5 improves his pocket passing skills and effectiveness….no one will beat him out and no one will be unhappy.
oh, we'll still have unhappy fans, no matter what

I think there's a couple things that factor into this decision for Kelly:
Daniels has ball security, you want him to open up a bit.
Nuss is WAY too wide-open, you want him to reel it in.
If the goal is, say, 3k yds and 30 total TDs, and no more than 10 turnovers, you have to decide whether Daniels can push his production just a bit more (for practical purposes, eliminate the 2 sub-100 yd games, make them 200 yd games... and then hit 1-2 more passes a game in the other ones);
vs
start Nuss (an unknown factor) and hope plays well, while SERIOUSLY reducing the number of INTS he has each game.
Add in Daniels' rushing totals (which some seem to hold against him), vs Nussmeier's lack thereof.

Other factor is, who do you want to be QB in 2024 and going forward? It's been touched on earlier, but is relevant to note: Howard seems to be the true prized QB in the discussion. At that point, 3 seasons into Kelly's tenure, we hope to see runs at SEC and national titles beginning to happen. His roster should be his recruits, his system should be firmly in place, etc.
Nussmeier, if he wins out next year, would probably be looking at a final season in 2024, assuming he tries to make the jump to NFL ball as soon as he's eligible. Best case for the program, he stays for 2025. If he has a big year, that likely doesn't happen.
More importantly, does Howard wait that long on the bench?
vs
Daniels plays next year, his last possible year of eligibility, then hands off to Howard for 2024. Howard takes over as a redshirt soph, 3 yrs elegibility (so plenty of time to play), but nothing on the resume to suggest he's leaving after that year.

My guess, which is worth what you pay for it, is that Kelly will go with Daniels next year for continuity, and then go with Howard the next few after he's been groomed for a solid amount of time. I don't see Nussmeier being such a "can't miss" prospect, that Kelly will change things up and risk losing Howard.
If he didn't already have Howard in the pipeline, then Nussmeier might already have taken over, as he'd be the guy to look at in 3 yrs.

I think Howard is going to be expected to make several runs here.
Posted by p226
Lafayette
Member since Sep 2016
1558 posts
Posted on 12/29/22 at 5:44 pm to
quote:

He’s an exceptional runner and an average passer so why isn’t the offense tailored to that is my question.


This. Right. Here.
Posted by kobsa
Tampa, FL
Member since Dec 2021
179 posts
Posted on 12/29/22 at 5:54 pm to
QB in today’s game dictates offensive effectiveness. I like to look at our QB situation as a barometer for overall offensive potential to compete for a national championship. Depending on which stat line you want to reference, our total offense ranking in all FBS was #29 (NCAA) or #38 (sport reference). By comparison, all teams in the CFP have top 10 offenses by sports reference ranking; by NCAA ranking, all teams are top 13 except Michigan comes in at #27.

Most categories we came in ranked what I’d described as “average” by Power 5 big school expectations (mid 40’s to 60s) -passing efficiency, passing yds, yds per attempt, passing offense, red zone offense, rushing offense, etc..

Where we excelled: completion %, QB rushing yds, 1st downs, 3rd down conversion %, # passes intercepted.

Where we were sub-par: passing TDS, passing yds per completion, rushing yds per carry, sacks allowed (122 out of 131).

I won’t go into the details on JDs weaknesses/shortfalls, those have been discussed ad nauseam here. With JD as QB, which should be the going in assumption for next year, stats show we have the POTENTIAL to be a top tier offense if we were able to improve on those sub-par and average categories. I think it’s a reasonable assumption that a QB in his 2nd year in a system has the POTENTIAL to improve in those areas. If we want to be in the hunt to win the SEC and compete for the natty, we will have to because a similar offensive performance next year won’t be good enough unfortunately.
This post was edited on 12/29/22 at 6:48 pm
Posted by Nix to Twillie
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
19178 posts
Posted on 12/29/22 at 5:56 pm to
quote:

thought I would try it


Your first mistake. We don’t try here.
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