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re: Some news about LSU's offense from the Metairie caravan:
Posted on 6/29/18 at 12:01 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Posted on 6/29/18 at 12:01 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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So again, Ensminger called spread plays already 2 years ago here at LSU.
What are "spread plays"? Are you trying to say that any play where we "spread" the field is a "spread play"?
Posted on 6/29/18 at 12:17 pm to SammyTiger
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The other years he was there are around 50/50 too.
Are you asking? Most season were pretty comparable.
Slinger at La Tech:
Season.... Offense rank.... Run/pass rank.... Run-pass split
1988................NA.....................NA.......................45-55
1989................63rd...................56th/48th.................55-45
1990................11th...................20th/NA...................57-43
"The scoop: Ensminger became a sought-after coordinator by his final year, leaving to be UGA’s pass game coordinator. He produced consecutive 1,000-yard rushers for the first time in 40 years at Tech. In 1990, QB Gene Johnson and the Bulldogs eclipsed the 30-point mark in eight of 11 games to finish 8-3-1."
Slinger at Georgia
Season.... Offense rank.... Run/pass rank.... Run-pass split
1991................34th...................51th/32nd..................55-45
1992.................9th...................11th/34th.................63-37
1993................19th...................93rd/8th..................44-56
"The scoop: Ensminger’s QB, Eric Zeier, led the SEC in passing in 1992 and in offense in 1993. The Bulldogs won 10 games in 1992 and improved on an offense ranked 101st in 1990 with Ensminger’s addition, something he used to jump to a full-time coordinator job at Texas A&M in 1994."
He had Garrison Hearst at Georgia along with Zeier.
" Ensminger called many of the plays during that three-year stint in Athens, Hearst said, but he’s mostly known for his work with Zeier. The quarterback set every SEC passing record before he left the school"
"Zeier and Hearst describe a system most similar to the West Coast offense, a scheme Bill Walsh popularized in the 1980s with the San Francisco 49ers. Zeier’s passing progression was short to deep, he said. Formations evolved from an I-formation look into a three- and four-receiver set, with one back. Georgia heavily used the shotgun, too, and the run game was built on zone blocking.
“It was creative at the time and one of the first offenses to begin to spread it out and get into the four-wide sets and be aggressive throwing,” Zeier said.
“I got to Frisco and realized I was running a pro scheme in college,” said Hearst, who spent five seasons with the 49ers."
A&M Coach RC Slocum on Slinger:
"“We were a run-oriented, I-formation, two-back team. I wanted to get a little better when we threw the ball,” Slocum said. “Georgia, at the time, they were throwing it a bunch. Part of the thing was ... I didn’t make clear (to Steve) exactly what I was looking for. I was looking to get better at throwing the ball. Not throwing it more.”
In one game against Texas Tech, A&M attempted what Slocum remembers as “60 passes.”
Said the coach: “I stepped in.”"
"Even the man who fired him, R.C. Slocum, admits to handcuffing Ensminger while he served as offensive coordinator at Texas A&M in the mid 1990s. Why? Because Ensminger passed the ball too much."
"Ensminger improved A&M’s passing offense marginally, but the Aggies showed promise. The unit went from 61st nationally in total offense after his first season to 34th after his third in 1996"
"Slocum watched Ensminger direct LSU’s offense for eight games as interim coordinator in 2016. It averaged 464 yards a game — 211 passing and 253 rushing — and scored 32 points an outing.
That’s when Slocum realized that his former assistant had learned something.
“Balance,” he said. “He was doing exactly what I would have wanted him to do at A&M. They were running the heck out of the football and throwing it down the field.”"
Posted on 6/29/18 at 12:20 pm to SammyTiger
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Sorry if I somehow Doubt that a 70 year old can learn a completely different offensive philosophy
Sorry if I somehow doubt that a guy that is 59 years old is also somehow 70 years old at the same time.
This post was edited on 6/29/18 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 6/29/18 at 12:24 pm to lsu2006
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He was also the most dedicated White Knight for Matt Canada
Is this supposed to be some kind of gotcha? Hell I was hopeful too. I'm sure most wanted Canada to be successful.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 12:25 pm to lsu2006
https://www.krossover.com/articles/dissecting-spread-offense/
I’m saying Ensminger ran spread plays and spread formations in 2016. You do realize “Spread offense” is more than just Chip Kelly or Cam Newton, right?
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So You Want To Run A Spread Offense… The spread offense has evolved to the point where you can use a variety of schemes in your offense. Air Raid Formerly an extremely pass-heavy offense focused on wide splits; the Air Raid has evolved with run-pass options and dual-threat QBs for a more balanced attack. A key play of the Air Raid is four verts, where four receivers go deep 10-15 yards, with the running back running an under route for protection. The two outside receivers will run outside the numbers and ultimately fade to the deep ball, while the inside receivers will run down the hash.
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Spread Option This is a scheme that took off late in the last decade, with coaches like Chip Kelly at Oregon, Rich Rodriguez at WVU/Michigan, and Urban Meyer at Bowling Green/Utah/Florida employing elements of it. This offense has evolved to invoke a variety of RPOs and QB options. While the goal of the Air Raid is to score and score quickly, the spread option is meant to create chaos within a defense. Oregon used this particular zone read formation during its heyday.
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Smashmouth Spread This scheme is exactly what you think it is- find weak spots in your opponents and overpower the other team. The WR splits are wide, the passing game is all about deep attacks and screens, and the run game is filled with down blocking angles and two-back lead runs. While it’s a highlight reel, Baylor under Art Briles exhibited the smashmouth spread to the extreme.
I’m saying Ensminger ran spread plays and spread formations in 2016. You do realize “Spread offense” is more than just Chip Kelly or Cam Newton, right?
Posted on 6/29/18 at 12:26 pm to Tiger Ree
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Said the coach: “I stepped in.”
The nerve of that guy. Good thing no coach at LSU would ever do that.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 12:29 pm to 00 Tech Grad
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It’s just funny watching you refer to him as “slinger” everywhere on this board
"To many of his players, he’s “Slinger” — a reference to his quarterbacking days, when he handed off to Charles Alexander and rifled passes to Carlos Carson. Decades later, Ensminger is a 58-
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you obviously thought it wouldn’t be a great hire
I never said that or anything close to it. I thought he did very well running the LSU offense in 2016.
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you were saying there was no way he was gonna be OC. That tune sure changed fast!
Well, when he changed his mind about what he had stated, it would have been pretty dumb if I didn't also change my mind about what he had stated.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 12:30 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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The spread offense has evolved to the point where you can use a variety of schemes in your offense.
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Spread Option This is a scheme
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Smashmouth Spread This scheme
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I’m saying Ensminger ran spread plays and spread formations in 2016.
Does this help you any?
Eta: typo
This post was edited on 6/29/18 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 6/29/18 at 12:31 pm to lsu2006
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"ONLY OFFENSIVE COACH NOMINATED FOR THE BROYLES AWARD!!!!!" That tune also VERY quickly changed.
How is that?
Was he not the ONLY OFFENSIVE COACH NOMINATED FOR THE BROYLES AWARD in 2016?
Posted on 6/29/18 at 12:36 pm to Tiger Ree
It was a statement I had previously looked at his other offenses.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 12:40 pm to bencoleman
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Is this supposed to be some kind of gotcha? Hell I was hopeful too. I'm sure most wanted Canada to be successful.
I thought it was a good hire and I wish he would have gotten another year to run his offense.
My point is that Ree was absolutely RABID in his defense of Canada... up until O fired him and then Canada was magically a bad egg and he concluded his offense was not suited for the SEC or something. He also was RABID in shouting down anyone that thought O would hire Ensminger. Then O does it and all of a sudden hiring SLINGER is absolutely genius.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 12:43 pm to Tiger Ree
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Are these dates from all your quotes supposed to make me impressed? All it tells me is that he hasn't continuously coached an offense in 20+ years.
This post was edited on 6/29/18 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 6/29/18 at 12:44 pm to SammyTiger
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It was a statement I had previously looked at his other offenses.
Oh Okay.
I was wondering if you were asking before I dug up and posted the info. But, I'm off today and bored watching the "Westworld" season ending episode on replay so I did it anyway.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 12:44 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
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Are these dates from all your quotes supposed to make me impressed. All it tells me is that he hasn't continuously coached an offense in 20+ years.
Yup.
Ree touts one good season that an Ensminger-coached QB had 25+ years ago at UGA.
But so help you GOD if you bring up O's time at Ole Miss 10 years ago.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 12:46 pm to Tiger Ree
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But, I'm off today and bored watching the "Westworld" season ending episode
Off topic, but I'm assuming I'm your talking about season 2. I really liked season 1, but had trouble getting into season 2. Does it get better? Not looking for a thread hijack. Just wondering. Too many spoilers on the M/TV Board.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 12:48 pm to TigerLunatik
Posted on 6/29/18 at 12:49 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
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Are these dates from all your quotes supposed to make me impressed? All it tells me is that he hasn't continuously coached an offense in 20+ years.
Are your one question and one statement supposed to make me care what you think?
My post was in response to someone freaking out that someone would suggest that LSU would be close to 50/50 run pass ratio. It's really not that hard to follow a conversation for people of average intelligence.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 12:51 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Those are just formations. The other stuff you're talking about are overall schemes. As I said before, the Shotgun formation is in every offense known to football. It's not a "spread formation", it's a formation that is used by spread systems. The Shotgun formation was around long before anyone ran a spread system.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 12:58 pm to TigerLunatik
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but had trouble getting into season 2. Does it get better? Not looking for a thread hijack. Just wondering. Too many spoilers on the M/TV Board.
Yes it does get better. I got three shows behind going out of town but have caught up this week. I have seen where people say the 8th show of this season may be the best of ALL the episodes. I agree but am a big fan of the actor that plays the lead native American. Season 2 finished very strong.
I would say that overall both seasons are about the same as far as quality and interest generated by the story. Which to me is impressive. The follow up movies to the Matrix could never have been as close to as good as the first because of the revelation of the "Matrix" that blows you away. This is already known and the following have to have amazingly great story lines to carry them. Which they weren't and didn't.
This post was edited on 6/29/18 at 1:09 pm
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