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re: so who is the guy who calls down saying to challenge a play?
Posted on 10/9/18 at 2:57 pm to keakar
Posted on 10/9/18 at 2:57 pm to keakar
What's crazy is with modern technology and replays you almost never see a challenge opportunity wasted. If anything, teams overchallenge. To not challenge something that obvious is a huge rarity.
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Posted on 10/9/18 at 3:02 pm to Alt26
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O doesn't call plays. He doesn't scheme. His sole jobs during the game are to decide when to go for it on 4th down; when to call TO's; when to kick a FG/punt; and when to challenge.
Ground level on the sideline when the play is a pile of players in the middle of the field is the worst place to determine a spot.
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He wasted a TO just to take a delay of game penalty and he refused to call a TO to challenge a clearly bad spot. That's unacceptable
Wrong. They took a TO todetermine whether to go for it on fourth down. They decided to try to draw the defense off side. When Florida did not bite teh took a delay of game which actually benefitted teh ultimate punt.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 3:06 pm to jlovel7
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What's crazy is with modern technology and replays you almost never see a challenge opportunity wasted. If anything, teams overchallenge. To not challenge something that obvious is a huge rarity.
To be honest I don't know that I buy O's account. Maybe he thinks that's what happened.
I think there's some distortion of truth somewhere in there, probably the replay guys covering their arses, or O covering his arse.
I've never heard of the replay guys not getting the replay in time, and if that's true, why have they not filed a complaint with the SEC?
This post was edited on 10/9/18 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 10/9/18 at 3:16 pm to Goldrush25
And there's also a ton of plays that should be reviewed by the SEC office that are not.
I think the Burrow fumble should have at least been reviewed although I don't think that one changes either.
I think the Burrow fumble should have at least been reviewed although I don't think that one changes either.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 3:23 pm to nicholastiger
The human error element is built into the game. Every team is going to be affected by it at some point.
It's incumbent on every team to have processes in place to mitigate against referee error. If you're waiting for them to always correct their own mistakes then you'll be disappointed.
It's incumbent on every team to have processes in place to mitigate against referee error. If you're waiting for them to always correct their own mistakes then you'll be disappointed.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 3:25 pm to Goldrush25
quote:yep.
However they should absolutely have a human failsafe, with binoculars, watching the play to provide another point of information precisely for the situation O described.
Not saying he would've been able to tell for sure the spot, but we could all see on the broadcast that the spot was at least questionable. You buzz down and get them to take another look at it, then we'd get those other angles that I'm sure they had.
there are several options there. Technology gives us some extra ones:
- somebody in a chat that's watching the broadcast feed
and there's the old standby:
- give a buddy, or in today's CFB an analyst, a press pass. Setup hand signals (press can roam pylon to pylon, unlike team/coaches)
- use medical staff in same manner
- work something out with an actual press person
A gold towel works great for the signal.
This post was edited on 10/9/18 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 10/9/18 at 3:34 pm to BruceUnhinged
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Mentioned this in another thread. The Video replay feed comes from UF in-stadium broadcast. They didn’t get the replay until after the field goal. UF’s fault. Still should of called a TO though
I can't believe this is accurate. If so, it provides a CLEAR means for the home team to manipulate the system and delay the broadcast on potentially unfavorable replays. You would think SOMEONE would have bitched about it before now.
Plus, the 3rd down play was a 3rd & 2. SOMEONE has to be on alert for a potential spot challenge in that situation. Particularly if you know you are going to run the ball on 3rd down. If nothing else, O had to know from ground level that the spot was close. At least ask for a measurement. It buys you time to decide on a review.
I know the coaches have a LOT more going on than us just sitting at home watching the game on TV, but there HAS to be some contingencies in place, right?
This post was edited on 10/9/18 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 10/9/18 at 3:39 pm to Alt26
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At least ask for a measurement. It buys you time to decide on a review.
Something else that could've happened and didn't.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 3:44 pm to keakar
curley hallman
Posted on 10/9/18 at 3:45 pm to geauxdroddz
Wait....what?
Posted on 10/9/18 at 3:48 pm to nitwit
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So, O was the only person in the stadium not looking at the spot on that critical third down?
It's not exactly easy to see where a spot should have been from ground level. Fans and the box have an infinitely better viewpoint that someone on the sidelines. That's why they have guys in the booth telling coaches if spots should be challenged or not, just like referees need help from others when they didn't have the best vantage point to see a play.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 3:53 pm to Goldrush25
Thoughts:
You don't know if he asked for a measurement or not. Just because you ask doesn't mean the officials are obligated to do it.
The ball was at the 15. The coaching area stops at the 25. Maybe he couldn't get close enough to ask for a measurement.
CBS only showed 2 angles of the play and neither would have been enough to overturn the original call.
I'm not sure what replay Orgeron saw that made him think he could have won a challenge, but hopefully it wasn't one of the CBS angles because those were both from behind the play.
You don't know if he asked for a measurement or not. Just because you ask doesn't mean the officials are obligated to do it.
The ball was at the 15. The coaching area stops at the 25. Maybe he couldn't get close enough to ask for a measurement.
CBS only showed 2 angles of the play and neither would have been enough to overturn the original call.
I'm not sure what replay Orgeron saw that made him think he could have won a challenge, but hopefully it wasn't one of the CBS angles because those were both from behind the play.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 3:59 pm to lsufball19
Or set up your own CCTV set up using all and any available technology ; I saw the replay immediately at my house and knew that it needed to be questioned. Heck they could do the same set up without getting fancy subscriptions or sat dishes.
I would volunteer to be the spotter and if I miss one then I would quit before I’m fired
I would volunteer to be the spotter and if I miss one then I would quit before I’m fired
Posted on 10/9/18 at 4:04 pm to MIKEDATIGER
O Definately fricked up not taking a timeout. Inexcusable
Posted on 10/9/18 at 4:04 pm to BruceUnhinged
Buy a f ing laptop and log on CBS or watch espn or whatever! O actually said he didn’t know what “the guy upstairs” watches. How can a head coach now know that ?!?
Posted on 10/9/18 at 4:04 pm to keakar
I don't know who the guy is, but Ed Orgeron hired him.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 4:21 pm to whitefoot
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The ball was at the 15. The coaching area stops at the 25. Maybe he couldn't get close enough to ask for a measurement.
Fair point.
But...
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CBS only showed 2 angles of the play and neither would have been enough to overturn the original call.
[I'm not sure what replay Orgeron saw that made him think he could have won a challenge, but hopefully it wasn't one of the CBS angles because those were both from behind the play.
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Watch the replay at the 7:29 mark. Half of CEH's body is laying over the yellow line. That shot ALONE should have been MORE than enough for Ogeron to call a TO and request a measurement. SOMEONE in the booth has to (a) be looking for a poor spot (just in case) and (b) see that one was given.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 4:29 pm to keakar
I'd be more curious to know who is the guy who decides which running back goes out for every offensive series?
According to these advanced stats, Brossette's success rate make it that much more puzzling it was CEH and not Brossette who was in the game for LSU's final two series.
According to these advanced stats, Brossette's success rate make it that much more puzzling it was CEH and not Brossette who was in the game for LSU's final two series.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 4:40 pm to ToddNance
quote:It varies team to team, but that's usually your "Running Game Coordinator" (Cregg). WRs likely to be Pass Game Coordinator, Sullivan.
I'd be more curious to know who is the guy who decides which running back goes out for every offensive series?
quote:I thought there was one, very clear, shot. Some notes:
Watch the replay at the 7:29 mark. Half of CEH's body is laying over the yellow line. That shot ALONE should have been MORE than enough for Ogeron to call a TO and request a measurement. SOMEONE in the booth has to (a) be looking for a poor spot (just in case) and (b) see that one was given.
- the in-stadium feed likely does not show all the different angles that the broadcast feed does.
- even if it did, who knows in what order and it isn't on demand
- It was an SEC matchup, reviews are done from Birmingham. Automatic on all change of possession and scoring plays. Not on spots.
- Is there a process to demand, from Birmingham, a review on a non-automatic? yes. But refs have to be involved one way or other.
- The sideline judge easiest to get into his ear was the one walking out for spot and placement. BUT, he is back on sideline before ump (or ref?) blows whistle and starts play clock.
- is the only 1 clear angle good enough to change spot? yes. Ironically on a normal play they want 2 clear for an overturn; but for judgement calls (targeting, spot) they only need one.
This post was edited on 10/9/18 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 10/9/18 at 4:51 pm to whitefoot
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The ball was at the 15. The coaching area stops at the 25. Maybe he couldn't get close enough to ask for a measurement
What do you mean get close enough to ask for a measurement? The HC always has access to an official.
Someone else made the point that it was a 3rd and 2. You know there's a higher than normal likelihood that you're going to be dealing with a short yardage situation. He should have been prepared.
You're correct, I don't know if he asked for a measurement. What I do know is he didn't say he asked for a measurement and was denied. Knowing how his mind works, I am fairly certain if that happened he would've told us, because that's a piece of information that would absolve him of some blame, which is always a priority of his.
This post was edited on 10/9/18 at 4:53 pm
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