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So when did the “eyeball test” become a thing?
Posted on 12/4/17 at 12:08 am
Posted on 12/4/17 at 12:08 am
I absolutely hate that phrase. It’s just a fancy term for human bias and dirty politics. I think I first heard the term back in the 2011 season when they were looking for reasons to put Bama in the BCS title game.
I wish the CFP would come up with some real criteria for getting into the playoff instead of this ambiguous, corrupt bullshite. The playoff committee can basically make up the rules as they go right now depending on which agenda they feel like pandering to at the time.
I wish the CFP would come up with some real criteria for getting into the playoff instead of this ambiguous, corrupt bullshite. The playoff committee can basically make up the rules as they go right now depending on which agenda they feel like pandering to at the time.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 12:10 am to cbree88
Alabama is in because of past history and not for what they did this year. They’re schedule was weak and were unimpressive down the stretch.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 12:41 am to cbree88
This Alabama team played well prior to the LSU game. We played an extremely physical football game on both sides of the ball and banged up some of their key pieces. Happens every year and usually hurts us down the stretch. This year it hurt them and you could see that in their last few games.
I think the committee was smart enough to understand that 2-3 week’s for recovery for these guys is huge and when they’re healthy, they are dominant. As much as I hate saying that, Bama is tough when they have all their key pieces specifically on the defensive side of the ball. If you were to have a wild card game, Bama would beat the breaks off of Ohio State or USC.
I think the committee was smart enough to understand that 2-3 week’s for recovery for these guys is huge and when they’re healthy, they are dominant. As much as I hate saying that, Bama is tough when they have all their key pieces specifically on the defensive side of the ball. If you were to have a wild card game, Bama would beat the breaks off of Ohio State or USC.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 1:08 am to Tigerbait8
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I think the committee was smart enough to understand that 2-3 week’s for recovery for these guys is huge and when they’re healthy, they are dominant
This is garbage. (not a jab at you personally so don't get me wrong) but if this is how the committee operates, the system needs a complete overhaul.
They're awarding a team for being better at a later time? Well plug in any team if that's the case.
The championships for conferences need to mean something, provided the teams are within or near the top 4 of the playoff rankings.
Bama didn't even do that, let alone win the west. They had 2 top 20 wins over us and farting out a win over Moo State, beat a ranked Fresno State who lost their championship game so that win doesn't have the weight it did. Ohio State, even with the two losses (I know about the Iowa game), still beat a top 10 Penn State, in the teens ranked Michigan State, Michigan, and an undefeated Wisconsin and became Big 10 champions.
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Bama would beat the breaks off of Ohio State or USC.
While I mostly agree, Bama lost when it counted (the Auburn game). So every other team plays an extra game and becomes conference champs yet Bama sits at home and moves up? That's nonsense.
It's shades of 2011 again.
I saw on ESPN the reasoning for the rankings of who got in and the top 3 were correct, they got to Bama and it was "has a laser focused coach." That's it? So what you do during the season means little?
Unreal.
This post was edited on 12/4/17 at 2:27 am
Posted on 12/4/17 at 2:13 am to cbree88
The eyeball test was what it was called prior to the BCS era coming in. "Eyeball Test" was the exact phrase used that seemed to be most effective in describing what was wrong with only relying on the AP Poll to coronate a national champion.....it ushered in the BCS championship game.....which was a very sweet era for the SEC.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 2:20 am to cbree88
I feel like I heard it a lot when Boise State was at their peak. Funny how they seemed to get more of a pass on strength of schedule than Wisconsin.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 6:06 am to cbree88
David Burge's (@iowahawkblog) marble game seems the most fair way to determine the 4 team playoff.
Every team starts with 100 marbles. you beat a team you get 20% of their marbles; you beat them on the road you get 25% of their marbles.
Surprisingly this simple concept yielded some decent results.
Every team starts with 100 marbles. you beat a team you get 20% of their marbles; you beat them on the road you get 25% of their marbles.
Surprisingly this simple concept yielded some decent results.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 6:34 am to Flame Salamander
Eyeball test referred to what was wrong with relying only on the Computers.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 6:37 am to cbree88
The reason for the eyeball test is that college football has 130 teams yet only plays a 12 game schedule, with most games being within conference. There's very little cross-conference games, which means humans have to make decisions on which team is better.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 6:41 am to cbree88
The right four teams made it. If not Alabama, who’s the fourth team?
Posted on 12/4/17 at 6:48 am to GoldenGuy
quote:What team has had the top recruiting class the last 8-10 years? As long as the “eye test” is used Bama will always benefit as long as they continue to bring in top ranked classes.
Eyeball test referred to what was wrong with relying only on the Computers.
The eye test is just another way of giving a team a mulligan.
Take emotion out of the equation and can anyone honestly say that OSU is better than Bama? Not deserve, but better. No where in the committee instructions does it mention most deserving teams but best teams.
I hate Bama being there as much as anyone but I think the committee got it right.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 7:22 am to cbree88
quote:same. Never heard it before 2011. Worth noting I heard Herbstreit and Blackledge both say it in the weeks prior to 9-6.
I think I first heard the term back in the 2011 season when they were looking for reasons to put Bama in the BCS title game.
You would figure if it was a thing we would have heard it long before the BCS back during the days of split championships, even weaker scheduling, and pollsters allegiance to bowl tie-ins.
Back then we heard about margin of victory, winning (or losing) big games, and strength of schedule.
Me personally, since the BCS and now the playoff committe doesn't consider margin of victory, the "eye test" thing is just a direct replacement for margin of victory with a little bit of conference bias thrown in for good measure.
A close game (or loss) against a good opponent with some big blowouts, no matter the strength of opponent, combine to be the "eye test" to explain away things just like margin of victory was used so many times.
quote:It's funny that Slive foresaw the benefit of a conf championship game and then 6 years later with the BCS it reaped huge benefits for the SEC. Essentially 20 years later, it seems it has gone the other way. All the things UF and Bama said about not wanting to play that first game in '92 have now seemingly come to fruition. The risk of a conf championship game, not counting injuries, is that it is difficult to play into the playoffs but easy to play out of it.
Flame Salamander
This post was edited on 12/4/17 at 7:30 am
Posted on 12/4/17 at 7:32 am to rsylve
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Alabama is in because of past history and not for what they did this year. They’re schedule was weak and were unimpressive down the stretch.
They deserve to be in
Posted on 12/4/17 at 7:45 am to cbree88
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I think I first heard the term back in the 2011 season when they were looking for reasons to put Bama in the BCS title game.
this
for these people to act like they have zero bias is a joke.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:03 am to prepsportsallday
quote:For the record, I agree... simply put based on my opinion I can't find anyone to take their place (this year).
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Alabama is in because of past history and not for what they did this year. They’re schedule was weak and were unimpressive down the stretch.
They deserve to be in
But... to play devil's advocate (which I put this forward in opposition to my own opinion):
Why not Wisc, only loss is in conf title game against a closely, highly ranked, opponent? Too soft of schedule you (and I) say?
According to Sagarin ratings Wisc has the 50th ranked schedule, Bama the 56th. So Wisc with a better overall schedule, a conf with 2 other top-10 teams (same with Bama), and a higher win%.
So why conflict between Sagarin and what we all perceive to be Bama's tougher schedule? The eye test AND conference bias. And that comes from the media, top of the list ESPN. And the fact that Wisc plays in the weaker division in their conf... however, that's baked in the cake with SoS; so Wisc gets double penalized for perception. A.k.a, eye test.
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