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re: So if Kelly has not been fired nor suspended..
Posted on 11/12/25 at 8:22 am to moneyg
Posted on 11/12/25 at 8:22 am to moneyg
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This isn't new. It's how every coach is hired and fired.
Right, and buyouts don’t just happen because it says it in their the original document, there is another agreement, which was being negotiated- now Kelly is acting surprised.
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Posted on 11/12/25 at 8:23 am to moneyg
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LSU doesn't want to pay this out over time. It wants to pay a lump sum now
So what? As long as BK accepts that it’s fine, but if he doesn’t then LSU should pay whatever is legally required.
Don’t give someone that kind of contract if you aren’t prepared to honor it.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 8:25 am to OceanMan
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It’s not a “gotcha”, LSU had been negotiating, Kelly is the one that is trying to play the “gotcha” card by saying he wasn’t terminated, and I don’t have a paper that says with cause so it can’t be for cause.
Is he wrong? If LSU didn’t notify him of cause, it’s a pretty big legal gamble to try and do it retroactively
Posted on 11/12/25 at 8:28 am to LSUFanHouston
Relax. This is all for leverage. On both sides. Neither wants to live with 6 years of monthly payments. There will be a settlement. This will not be tried.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 8:29 am to go ta hell ole miss
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It’s not the way UCLA, Penn State, Florida, Arkansas or Auburn fire coaches. We look ridiculous.
You are confusing the "looking ridiculous" with the mechanics of how a coach gets hired and fired.
The post that said Kelly should be coaching until the paperwork is finalized is ridiculous.
LSU's management of the situation from a PR situation is also ridiculous.
LSU's hiring of an unseasoned, inexperienced AD in a situation like this is ridiculous.
I don't think LSU can overcome the situation it currently finds itself in.
In a year or two or three, LSU will go out and hire a serious, legitimate Athletic Director and try to become a serious player in college football again.
There's a possibility that LSU hits on this hire. I think it's unlikely. But, that would probably save it from itself.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 8:31 am to Pikes Peak Tiger
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I am not an employment attorney
Neither am I, but
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there was a press conference announcing that BK was immediately relieved of his duties (i.e. fired).
Being relieved of your duties is not the same as having your contract terminated. The duties were within the contract, and could be updated by the president or AD.
So it can’t be very apparent that he has been removed as the coach, while his contract is not yet terminated. LSU has essentially made offers to terminate which Kelly declined.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 8:34 am to OceanMan
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I haven’t seen anything suggesting that they haven’t paid or are not planning on paying Kelly.
Well if they are now trying to terminate for cause…
Posted on 11/12/25 at 8:36 am to OceanMan
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I’m offering this as a potential explanation. People need to forget the lawsuit, that’s just Kelly’s side of the story which LSU deserves a chance to respond to.
There are three sides to every story.
What’s concerning people is we see how Landry / the state / the university handle things and it’s not exactly inspiring confidence.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 8:37 am to Pikes Peak Tiger
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Is he wrong? If LSU didn’t notify him of cause, it’s a pretty big legal gamble to try and do it retroactively
I don’t know the answer, I’m trying to explain how it might not be being done retroactively. They have not given him a termination notice, so they have not formally terminated him (with or without cause).
When you settle a contract, you are replacing or ending that contract. The active negotiations show that LSU was trying to terminate him in a way not spelled out in the contract. I don’t see why they don’t still have the option to fire with or without cause, if Kelly is no longer willing to negotiate.
This is a fairly normal thing, we are just way too concerned about the reputational aspect to see both sides, despite how visible it is.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 8:37 am to OceanMan
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but Kelly is now acting like they never spoke about that.
He's not; it is even spelled out in his suit that LSU offered him 25 million then 30 million. Both of which he turned down.
Kelly is simply asking that LSU clarify that his termination was not for cause and that if LSU has claimed it was, they have missed the window to do.
I am fairly certain these are just negotiation tactics, by and large, but by dragging their feet, LSU comes out looking bad in these, not Kelly.
This post was edited on 11/12/25 at 9:09 am
Posted on 11/12/25 at 8:38 am to moneyg
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That should be an easy sell to Kelly, as long as both parties are reasonable.
If LSU offered the present value of the future payments, sure.
Seems like they are offering less than that.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 8:42 am to LSUFanHouston
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Well if they are now trying to terminate for cause…
I don’t feel like you want to understand this.
If he he is still employed, does LSU not still have the right to terminate his contract, with or without cause? Why would LSU and Brian Kelly negotiate this? Was he ever told it was NOT for cause?
Kelly is trying to say LSU is backtracking. LSU hasn’t said anything, they are negotiating the termination.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 8:46 am to LSUFanHouston
I will add this...
How does LSU offer $25 Million and then $30 Million as a buyout if they were firing for cause?
How does LSU offer $25 Million and then $30 Million as a buyout if they were firing for cause?
Posted on 11/12/25 at 8:46 am to moneyg
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The post that said Kelly should be coaching until the paperwork is finalized is ridiculous.
When other schools have fired for cause…
They initially suspend the coach with pay “pending an investigation”
Then the coach is given cause for termination and there is an appeal process.
Then he is terminated.
This is standard procedure. This was not followed.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 8:54 am to mdomingue
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He's not; it is even spelled out in his suit that LSU offered him 25K then 30K. Both of which he turned down.
Kelly is acting like they never spoke about WHY there were settlement discussion.
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Kelly is simply asking that LSU clarify that his termination was not for cause and that if LSU has claimed it was, they have missed the window to do.
yeah I know. They missed the “window”because they were negotiating the termination agreement. Poor old Brian Kelly is just confused. No, the negotiations were meant to run out the clock on their perceived “window” of opportunity to do so. That’s called bad faith. quote:
I am fairly certain these are just negotiation tactics, by and large, but by dragging their feet, LSU comes out looking bad in these, not Kelly.
LSU is not dragging their feet. They have made him real and fair offers. We did this yesterday - the PV of $30M lump sum puts a valuation on the mitigation duty of about $15M. That is, if Kelly makes more than $15M in the next 5 years, he comes out ahead. He just valued himself at like $25M/year. That’s a fair offer that Kelly said he was willing to listen to.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 8:59 am to LSUFanHouston
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If LSU offered the present value of the future payments, sure. Seems like they are offering less than that.
It was a fair offer. They relieved him of mitigation duties, and were not going to terminate him for cause. He said no, now they might.
The contract doesn’t say he is owed his full compensation no matter what. You have to understand that part first. All of the surrounding confusion is posturing by Kelly’s legal team.
They are shooting for getting more than the liquidated damages stipulate. Trust me in this. They want a lump sum to be close to PV of $54M and to be relieved of mitigation dutiies. They are hoping to make LSU scramble and make a stupid offer to make this go away. If I’m LSU, no way I would make another offer, I keep making the payments and let the legal process drag out and make this a huge pain in the arse for Kelly
Posted on 11/12/25 at 9:03 am to LSUFanHouston
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When other schools have fired for cause…
Most schools don’t because they settle. Firing for the most usual causes is ugly for everyone, that’s why it rarely happens in most industries.
Kelly used those discussions in attempt to run out a clock that may or may not exist.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 9:03 am to LSUFanHouston
You can be sent home from work and not be fired.
Posted on 11/12/25 at 9:04 am to mdomingue
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He's not; it is even spelled out in his suit that LSU offered him 25K then 30K
25K and 30K are 25,000 and 30,000...
you must mean 25M and 30M
Posted on 11/12/25 at 9:06 am to LSUFanHouston
Woodward was out of his lane of authority, and fricked this up. LSU is doing the best it can, to go thru proper channels, and clean up the legal.mess. BK left, so LSU isn't the only confusing side of this. So they have continued his pay, very wisely !
If i were lsu, I'd send him a letter asking why he vacated his post without a formal letter of termination.
This will get interesting
If i were lsu, I'd send him a letter asking why he vacated his post without a formal letter of termination.
This will get interesting
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