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re: Should be Trent Johnson's last year
Posted on 11/18/11 at 8:36 am to jdg91878
Posted on 11/18/11 at 8:36 am to jdg91878
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Agree. If the basketball team could lock down La like football, that would be the start of something special.
Umm, Have you kept up with any basketball recruiting in the state since 2008? Our basketball talent has been pretty bad at the HS level in this state for the last couple of years (Derenbecker was the top rated La. recruit a year ago iirc).
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Posted on 11/18/11 at 8:37 am to marchballer
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The talent level during the past 2 years has ben horrible due to poor recruiting left behind by Brady.
terrible analogy. You can say the same thing about Mark Hudspeth al UL. He had a terrible recruiting class from Ricky Bustle and look what he is doing in one year.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 8:37 am to b rod lsu
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2. Players not playing for Trent. After watching 2 of the 3 games so far, I think these guys have been playing very hard. If anything, you can make the argument after yesterday that Trent sold the guys short. We have some young talent, we have high character guys, we just may not have the right guy leading the ship.
This.
Yesterday was the first chance I have gotten to see this year's team and I didn't see a lack of effort (or talent) being an issue. I try not to put every fault on coaching because players have to play, but yesterday there were some frustrating coaching decisions.
LSU had the CLEAR advantage in the post, but never really made an effort to get the ball down low (even before Northwestern went to zone).
Once Northwestern went zone, LSU looked like they had never seen that defense before. It took them most of the second half (and a great game by O'bryant) to figure it out.
Finally, why was Hamilton on Shurma late in the second half. I get that Shurma is 6'9, but you cant tell me that LSU didn't have someone more athletic than Hamilton who could guard him late? That matchup killed LSU at the end of the game when Stringer had to leave his man to pick up Shurma after he crossed-over Hamilton. Pass to man Stringer left + open 3 = ballgame. (This isn't a knock on Hamilton, but he's just not a perimiter player.)
No time outs again at the end of the game. How do you burn through 5 TO's in 18 minutes when you also get 4 official TO's.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 8:39 am to Alt26
Also, I will admit that I always have been a huge Trent Johnson fan (I bought in after seeing him speak the summer before his first season). All of these realizations for me have been tough as of late. Think I'm going to turn to the bottle soon.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 8:40 am to LSUchumble
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2. Players not playing for Trent. After watching 2 of the 3 games so far, I think these guys have been playing very hard. If anything, you can make the argument after yesterday that Trent sold the guys short. We have some young talent, we have high character guys, we just may not have the right guy leading the ship.
This chumble...effort IMHO is not the problem, it's direction. Our go to offensive play last year was Stringer running off a high ball screen...a play he absolutely could not execute.
Defensively if we're not leaving Chris Johnson twisting in the wind trying to guard guys 1-on-1 in the post we're trying some weird perimeter man that shades guys allowing them to drive one way. I just don't get what he's teaching defensively.
We do have some players this year but I'm struggling to identify something I've seen X and O-wise or system wise that Trent imparts well and I'm just not seeing anything.
He has good kids and he demands that they represent LSU well off the court and that's all well and good. But I still think that can be done while fielding a competitive, well-coached team...I just am more and more skeptical that Trent can do this.
Hope I'm wrong.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 8:42 am to Tiger Ugly
Tiger Ugly wrote
ugly synopsis. I guess that's a pun.
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We do have some players this year but I'm struggling to identify something I've seen X and O-wise or system wise that Trent imparts well and I'm just not seeing anything.
ugly synopsis. I guess that's a pun.
This post was edited on 11/18/11 at 8:47 am
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:02 am to ottothewise
when you read all the threads about TJ it appears fans feel we are improving on the talent level, the intensity of the players is good but the play on both ends of the court is suffering. The last couple of games remind of Dale Brown years when talent was great but coaching down the stretch often cost us a game. TJ has been out coached in the last two games-
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:10 am to 756
Yea, I agree to an extent, I will say that he should finish out the season imo, unless we just don't win any games between now and SEC play.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:13 am to CP3LSU25
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The talent level during the past 2 years has ben horrible due to poor recruiting left behind by Brady.
terrible analogy. You can say the same thing about Mark Hudspeth al UL. He had a terrible recruiting class from Ricky Bustle and look what he is doing in one year.
I like you as a poster but you're offbase on this when to compare football and basketball recruiting in the state.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:14 am to Spankum
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have been following LSU for decades and do not remember a time when our basketball program was less relevant...
Trent is a good man, but we should not be losing to teams that we are losing too. It tells me that his recruiting sucks. Kentucky did not seem to have a problem winning with freshman. It is a recruiting problem more than his coaching ability. This should be his last year.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:15 am to Nativebullet
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I like the man. I believe he is a good guy and his heart is in a right place, but I have never seen such 'lack of buzz' surrounding the program.
I remember there was a time when I knew every player and we would discuss the games at work non stop, but nobody even cares anymore, nor do we even know they played a game. Sorry, but Trent's got to go. We need a spark. What's y'alls take?
I believe we should make a decision after the year.
if we all made decisions based on the fan's/rant, miles would have been fired, richt would have been fired, Coach K would have been fired and on and on and on.
I don't know if trent is the guy or not. I do have a core belief he is. I do know the talent level as continued to increase over the past three years and i believe that should start to show on the court.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:28 am to marchballer
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Trent is playing a much tougher OOC schedule than Brady ever played. I remember when we were dying for a marquee matchup before SEC play.
Really, I don't remember TJ playing arizona, UConn, Ohio State, why are people even stil bringing Brady's name up, except for to give him credit for handing TJ a talented team. It's obvious the only success he had was with someone's elses talent. I watched the game yesterday and saw some talent, the problem is the TJ, he never adjusted to the zone, then Hamilton is gaurding their best player wtf was that? TJ is clueless from what I have seen up to this point in adjusting to anything, all you have to do is look at his second half performances, the other guys adjust he doesn't we lose. It looks we do have some talent finally to build on but TJ is not the builder. Way past time for him to go. MT5 made him look like a genius in his first year here and he will go down as the worst hire in LSU history.....any sport.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:43 am to Tiger Authority
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I like you as a poster but you're offbase on this when to compare football and basketball recruiting in the state.
Yeah maybe was that was a little off base but I still think Trent should be showing more results at this point.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:44 am to ottothewise
quote:quote:does that mean you were ok with losing to NW, while John Shurna had a career night?
I say that if they lose to Rutgers then he should go.
NW is middle of the pack Big Ten, at best. One great player.
Why Rutgers?
What about an assessment of the offense, rebounding, hustle, and intensity on defense?
Not at all. Right now we just don't know if things are as bad as they seem. Losing to Rutgers would seal the deal for me. I think that there is a halfway decent chance that we are below .500 heading into SEC play.
Plus since they will play in NJ, I will try to catch the game.. hopefully there is a conflict and they move the time a bit.
Hoping for the best as TJ seems like an ok guy, but it doesn't look good.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:54 am to jr33
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Really, I don't remember TJ playing arizona, UConn, Ohio State, why are people even stil bringing Brady's name up, except for to give him credit for handing TJ a talented team. It's obvious the only success he had was with someone's elses talent. I watched the game yesterday and saw some talent, the problem is the TJ, he never adjusted to the zone, then Hamilton is gaurding their best player wtf was that? TJ is clueless from what I have seen up to this point in adjusting to anything, all you have to do is look at his second half performances, the other guys adjust he doesn't we lose. It looks we do have some talent finally to build on but TJ is not the builder. Way past time for him to go. MT5 made him look like a genius in his first year here and he will go down as the worst hire in LSU history.....any sport.
a little dramatic aren't we?
mt 5 must have been racist because he couldn't make brady look like a genius! How do you know trent didn't tell his players what to do against the zone? Maybe, this is really going out on a limb, the players (specifically the p.g.'s) couldn't EXECUTE it. hickey was in foul trouble.
i'm not beating trent's drumb as he's the best b.b. coach in the land. however, you guy's come up with some of the most silliest theories to bash the team and coach.
as hickey, obryant, and issac continue to improve, FROM THEIR THIRD COLLEGE GAME, the team will improve. That is what we are looking for. This team to show good improvement over last years team. it will show that the program is on the right track. take this team with another year and add morgan and possibly gathers, then you have something to get really excited about for the future.
THIS WILL NOT BE A FINAL FOUR, SIXTEEN, and maybe not even a NCAA tourny team. this year. We should expect marked improvement, 500 record in s.e.c. and possible n.i.t. birth. Then make a big jump NEXT year.
this is where we are at as program, we are building. Check out coach K's first three years at duke.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 9:59 am to mmcgrath
neither shaq or chris jackson were from Louisiana!
when louisiana did not have it Dale went out of state! quit making excuses for poor recruiting!
when louisiana did not have it Dale went out of state! quit making excuses for poor recruiting!
Posted on 11/18/11 at 10:01 am to Tiger Ugly
"I just don't think you can do that. There has to be SOME accountability for bad choices on offense or kids will continue to stretch the line further (see Spencer and Stringer). "
Spencer??
Spencer??
Posted on 11/18/11 at 10:03 am to CP3LSU25
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Yeah maybe was that was a little off base but I still think Trent should be showing more results at this point.
Probably. Just noting how mediocre the talent instate has been the last few years.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 10:05 am to gotygers
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neither shaq or chris jackson were from Louisiana!
when louisiana did not have it Dale went out of state! quit making excuses for poor recruiting!
Is this a joke? Are you inferring that we should have been able to recruit another Shaq because Dale Brown was able to do it over 20 years ago? Has there been another Shaq since Shaq?
Posted on 11/18/11 at 10:05 am to b rod lsu
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Alot that I agree with in here, but two points that I'm not sure about...
1. Scheduling. We don't have a game against #1 Arizona like some years past, but we still play some quality OOC games. We're gonna get VCU or Ga Tech, Houston, Marquette and Virginia. Also, keep in mind that those years we played Arizona we had some veteran presence. It made a little more sense.
2. Players not playing for Trent. After watching 2 of the 3 games so far, I think these guys have been playing very hard. If anything, you can make the argument after yesterday that Trent sold the guys short. We have some young talent, we have high character guys, we just may not have the right guy leading the ship.
Still early, so I'm trying to balance optimism with realism.
Don't bring that rational thinking into this conversation. WTF is wrong with you.
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