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Shorts and Frazier - SEC Caliber Talents?

Posted on 1/18/22 at 8:37 pm
Posted by GeauxTime9
Baton Rouge, La
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 8:37 pm
I see these two transfers are coming from much smaller schools. What’s the expectations for these two players in the SEC? Are they talented enough to compete on this level?
Posted by geauxtigers87
Louisiana
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 8:38 pm to
Yes
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 8:42 pm to
It’s hard to know. In 2018 we took Badara Traore and Damien Lewis. One was a good backup, and the other is punishing NFL defensive linemen.
Posted by TooSober
AA Meeting
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 8:42 pm to
The question is, have they put in the strength work...
Posted by SeekGreatness
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 8:42 pm to
Linemen from HS are very hard to evaluate. They also generally take longer to develop than other position groups. Linemen who have made it at the college level are much lower risk.

Both these guys will be day one starters. This year’s group will do better than our 2021 group.
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 8:46 pm
Posted by ipodking
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 8:44 pm to
I’d take them over who we had starting the last two seasons and those guys were considered SEC to caliber talents
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 9:36 pm
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 8:58 pm to
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What’s the expectations for these two players in the SEC? Are they talented enough to compete on this level?

People will say “of course they are!” in the moment, and I get the optimism.

The reality is that you don’t know for sure until you see them hit the field. It’s hard to evaluate linemen in high school because you don’t know how they’ll develop physically, and you don’t see them against equal competition.

When you’re talking about FCS guys you would think the physical part gets easier - they’re older and have been in a college S&C program. And they have been playing against much better competition than they saw in high school. So yeah, the floor should be higher. The ceiling is probably lower.

But I think it’s a little presumptuous to act like any of these guys are can’t-miss prospects, which I’ve seen a lot of recently. There’s still risk and you still don’t know for certain how they translate against SEC competition until they actually do it.

I’m not saying that to be dismissive of our transfer class - I think it looks great! I just think people need to relax a little bit, otherwise everyone will talk themselves into ridiculous expectations and start calling these guys “Giles 2.0” if they don’t pan out.
Posted by moock blackjack
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:09 pm to
They will both be penciled in as day one starters but it will take a little time to see if they are true SEC caliber OLmen. Nobody knows the answer to this yet. But they are both probably better than any OLmen returning next season.
Posted by Tammany Tom
Mandeville
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:24 pm to
quote:

I see these two transfers are coming from much smaller schools. What’s the expectations for these two players in the SEC? Are they talented enough to compete on this level?


Did you watch any of the Chiefs - Steelers game?

Here’s a few of the Chiefs offensive players that played that night.
Tyreek Hill - he went to West Alabama
Travis Kelce - Cincinnati
Patrick Mahomes - Texas Tech
Jerrick McKinnon - Georgia Southern
Byron Pringle - Kansas State

Do you think these guys from non powerhouse programs are talented enough and can do well in the NFL?
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 9:26 pm
Posted by LSU82BILL
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Member since Sep 2006
10324 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:32 pm to
It’s not just like they were on a roster or even that they were starters at smaller schools. Shorts was a 3rd team FCS All American. Frazier was a freshman All American. There are plenty of players from small schools on NFL rosters.
Posted by TexasTigers512
Member since Oct 2021
304 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:53 pm to
Ali gaye was also a very low rated players. He's been amazing here
Posted by ArcticCat
Toronto
Member since Jan 2011
160 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 10:11 pm to
I agree that risks are lower with college linemen transfers than with high school signees. To extend the logic, risks should be even lower with NFL draftees than college transfers.

But risks remain whenever the level of competition changes. On top of that, injuries, personal issues, motivation and such make this an inexact science.
Posted by Mr Cell Phone
Member since Nov 2021
435 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 10:17 pm to
We will find out if Brad Davis is worth the big bucks with this new crew on the OL . He has to develop them at warp speed let’s hope they are fast learners .
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9374 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 10:24 pm to
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We will find out if Brad Davis is worth the big bucks with this new crew on the OL . He has to develop them at warp speed let’s hope they are fast learners .

On the bright side, he’ll have a hell of a lot more time to coach them up before this season than he did last year.

It’ll be interesting to see how the guys he evaluated pan out. Although that might take a year or two to really judge.
Posted by 0
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 11:20 pm to
Yes
Posted by 167back
Dos Gris
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 1/19/22 at 12:47 am to
A few weeks back a bunch of people had Campbell and Jones penciled in as day one starters on the Oline. How bout we let them go through this offseason workout regime and spring practice before deciding anything.
Posted by StAugFLTiger
Member since Jan 2022
1505 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 5:44 am to
Honestly, you don't know if the ceiling is lower, especially when talking about an all-american, even at that level. If they are solid starters I'll take that over what we had. They have an opportunity to really elevate their potential draft stock and hope they do something with it compared to some of the others we have had on our line.
Posted by StAugFLTiger
Member since Jan 2022
1505 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 5:46 am to
three of these programs are not like the other two...I mean come on.
Posted by TXTiger81
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2021
819 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 5:59 am to
Do watch the NFL? If so, you will see a lot of players who didn’t play in the SEC (or even Power 5) kicking the shite out of players who did. Specifically at the LOS. I’m just sayin
Posted by FLBooGoTigs1
Nocatee, FL.
Member since Jan 2008
54517 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:15 am to
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n 2018 we took Badara Traore and Damien Lewis


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and the other is a punishing NFL defensive lineman


Defense huh



ETA: Derp my bad
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 10:48 am
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