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re: Shaw's response to Sternberger fumble
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:27 am to demtigers73
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:27 am to demtigers73
The fact that LNCHBOX is arguing that it wasn't a catch is the best evidence that it was in fact a catch
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Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:50 am to CaliTigerHB
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Several steps?? He didn’t run two steps lol
He took two steps.
Definition of the noun
1.
an act or movement of putting one leg in front of the other in walking or running:
"Ron took a step back"
While running full speed the TE took two steps after catching the ball, that was obvious, he made moves common to the game by turning upfield and by bringing the ball into to his body. He possessed the ball, and we knocked it loose. FUMBLE
Move on. It is what it is.
Shaw is just protecting his guys.
This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 11/29/18 at 11:52 am to foghat
Bottom line if we stopped them on 4th we win or if we could have covered Rodgers in the OT’s we’d have won.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 12:51 pm to bulldog95
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Bottom line if we stopped them on 4th we win or if we could have covered Rodgers in the OT’s we’d have won.
So what?
How many chances and redos did A$M have to win and they failed?
This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 11/29/18 at 1:11 pm to bulldog95
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Bottom line if we stopped them on 4th we win or if we could have covered Rodgers in the OT’s we’d have won.
Yep, I said if we stop them here LSU wins, and Delpit intercepts, but then overturned on a review that lacked sufficient evidence to overrule a call on the field based on at what point possession was regained.
Then on 4th and 18, I say again, if they hold them to less than 18 yards LSU wins, and hell if they hold them to 17 1/2 yards, but A&M Is given 18 without a review or a measurement to ensure the first down.
But then I say if they can run out the clock, but A&M is allowed what looks to be an illegal formation so they can rush the snap after a 1st down stopped the clock pending placement, and they spike it with 1 second running off the clock, but A&M isn't called for illegal formation and review accurately determined that the rushed snap and spike was a fraction of a second before the 00:01 ticked off the clock.
OT:
Surely if LSU could get a stop or turnover, well the TE clearly catches the ball and fumbles, but no...
Failed 2 point conversion, nope, mulligan due to a bogus PI call?
I guess if LSU could've just made one more play though right?
Posted on 11/30/18 at 1:20 pm to classicgold
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If they can say Kellen Mond had possession of the ball when he instantly touched it with one hand with his knee on the ground
That’s not what they said, well it may have been because they can’t explain a rule. I think the e rule is if you touch a fumble in a position that would be ruled down, then gain possession later while not in that position, you are considered down where you touched the ball initially. At least I think that’s the rule.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 2:17 pm to Cracking
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Then on 4th and 18, I say again, if they hold them to less than 18 yards LSU wins, and hell if they hold them to 17 1/2 yards, but A&M Is given 18 without a review or a measurement to ensure the first down.
This is wrong. A&M made the first down. The line on the television was incorrect.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 2:47 pm to JawjaTigah
Allow an Old Ag to put this to rest...
It WAS a fumble, but was called incomplete...
We'll see you next year...
Gig 'Em and Geaux Tigers
It WAS a fumble, but was called incomplete...
We'll see you next year...
Gig 'Em and Geaux Tigers
Posted on 11/30/18 at 2:51 pm to foghat
Look its over but if Giles doesnt muff the punt and if we dont go conservative and get the first time the game is over.. I was mad about it but once i broke a couple things and calmed down i realized we beat ourselves too... Hell if ensminger would have called a game like he did in OT we would have whipped arse
Posted on 11/30/18 at 2:55 pm to mdomingue
My position on the Mond “knee down” play is that it may look like his knee touched the ground but it in not absolutely certain that he did in the replay. Therefore play call should have stood which was an INT... game over.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 3:39 pm to classicgold
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If they can say Kellen Mond had possession of the ball when he instantly touched it with one hand with his knee on the ground; then you have to be consistent and say that Sternberger had possession with both hands on the ball and turning up field.
We have a winner.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 4:32 pm to FreddieMac
But if they use that logic, it doesn't extend the game or give aTm other opportunities to win...
Posted on 11/30/18 at 4:38 pm to FreddieMac
Just my thoughts- I had 2 instances where I had that familiar feeling we lost. The pick at the end of regulation and the Sternberger catch/fumble. LSU got screwed.
First, Mond's knee was down and he had his hand on the ball. I don't know the rule, but if the ball was on the ground and live, then a fumble must have preceded it. I don't recall anyone essentially just touching a ball on a fumble and the play being ruled dead immediately if the elbow or knee was also on the ground. When there are several players trying to gain possession at the same time and the ball squirts around, possession isn't awarded to the first dude to touch it. By the time Mond truly possessed the ball, I think the knee was off the ground. It was a ticky tack call that only replay could show. These calls defeat the purpose of replay- which is to reverse obvious errors, not use super slow motion frame by frame to catch something the naked eye couldn't possibly see.
Second, Sternberger fumbled that ball. Even on replay, with the reverse angle, it looked like a fumble to me. It was close, but the dude had the ball long enough for possession to be established. Looked like a catch to me.
All that said, I'm happy to take the W. It makes it a little sweeter with the controversy, but LSU does need to look in the mirror and realize stopping a 4th and 18 or the 1 play at the end of regulation could have resulted in an LSU victory. LSU did their fair share to contribute to their own demise in this game.
edit: I was thinking after both of those plays, "If I was LSU I would be freaking out about this crap." Texted my LSU buddy in the 4th quarter that it looks like LSU is going to get screwed all the way to OT. I don't think it was home cooking by the refs, they were just close plays that ALL went to the Aggies. Earlier in the game there were some questionable spots that favored LSU, but that is just part of the game.
First, Mond's knee was down and he had his hand on the ball. I don't know the rule, but if the ball was on the ground and live, then a fumble must have preceded it. I don't recall anyone essentially just touching a ball on a fumble and the play being ruled dead immediately if the elbow or knee was also on the ground. When there are several players trying to gain possession at the same time and the ball squirts around, possession isn't awarded to the first dude to touch it. By the time Mond truly possessed the ball, I think the knee was off the ground. It was a ticky tack call that only replay could show. These calls defeat the purpose of replay- which is to reverse obvious errors, not use super slow motion frame by frame to catch something the naked eye couldn't possibly see.
Second, Sternberger fumbled that ball. Even on replay, with the reverse angle, it looked like a fumble to me. It was close, but the dude had the ball long enough for possession to be established. Looked like a catch to me.
All that said, I'm happy to take the W. It makes it a little sweeter with the controversy, but LSU does need to look in the mirror and realize stopping a 4th and 18 or the 1 play at the end of regulation could have resulted in an LSU victory. LSU did their fair share to contribute to their own demise in this game.
edit: I was thinking after both of those plays, "If I was LSU I would be freaking out about this crap." Texted my LSU buddy in the 4th quarter that it looks like LSU is going to get screwed all the way to OT. I don't think it was home cooking by the refs, they were just close plays that ALL went to the Aggies. Earlier in the game there were some questionable spots that favored LSU, but that is just part of the game.
This post was edited on 11/30/18 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 11/30/18 at 4:42 pm to foghat
He even pretty much tucked it away. I was not five steps. It was just me and a half. But still a fumble as far as I am concerned
Posted on 11/30/18 at 4:50 pm to mhc4tigers
yep. Baffling how that wasn't a catch/fumble. I thought the same- he was bringing it in to his body. Horrible call, but hey, I was happy to take it. I was on the other end of that crap with the Jesse James "incomplete" last year against the Patriots. Nobody knows what a catch truly is- it looks like it is just an opinion in some cases....
Posted on 11/30/18 at 5:04 pm to nicholastiger
Does any level headed Tiger fan truely believe a 50/50 call would have gone our way after the billboards, collusion talk by Carville, and the constant badgering of SEC officiating by this fan base. Hell no we would not get those calls but hey it was funny as shite at the time. In the end, the seniors on this team suffered the most by not having a 10 win season by actions not controlled by their play on the field.
This post was edited on 11/30/18 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 11/30/18 at 5:06 pm to Sun God
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The fact that LNCHBOX is arguing that it wasn't a catch is the best evidence that it was in fact a catch
Well it wasn't a catch, so thanks for letting me know that you'd rather be wrong than agree with me
This post was edited on 11/30/18 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 11/30/18 at 5:08 pm to redbean5
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Does any level headed Tiger fan truely believe a 50/50 call would have gone our way after the billboards, collusion talk by Carville, and the constant badgering of SEC officiating by this fan base. Hell no we would not get those calls but hey it was funny as shite at the time. In the end, the seniors on this team suffered the most by not having a 10 win season by actions not controlled by their play on the field.
The DW strip that went for a TD was extremely close to being down. It went our way. Blaming the refs for this loss is almost more embarrassing than the billboards.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 6:20 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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We did not get screwed by the refs. There were about 6 50/50 calls that all went against us. It sucks but that’s football.
You must have failed Statistics.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 9:25 pm to foghat
If you are looking for a coherent response from this abomination of a referee you will be waiting for me a long time.
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