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re: Serious Question - What is a "true tiger?"

Posted on 1/15/09 at 3:27 pm to
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 3:27 pm to
quote:

Why is it OK to criticize Keiland Williams?
while if you criticize hatch, you're an meanie-head negatiger?


You're comparing apples with oranges.

Saying KW or AH needs to work on such-and-such, shouldn't be starting, isn't as good as other SEC players at his position, is not a recognized team leader, etc. = FINE

Saying KW or AH should have never gotten a scholly, hurt the team last year, you wish they would have never come to LSU, etc. = SHITTINESS

Learn the difference.

This is why people stick up for many of the players with less talent. Not because we think they're necessarily greater guys or anything; it's because we think it's fricking disgusting the way some people talk about them.

Nobody ever said LSU would be better off without Keiland Williams and that they wish he was somewhere else. Thus, not surprisingly, there isn't really a whole lot of effort necessary to tell people to STFU about KW. Maybe he should be getting more playing time, and maybe he shouldn't, but all things considered, he's getting a relatively fair shake at LSU and things are working out okay for him and his football career.
Posted by Jaydeaux
Covington
Member since May 2005
19633 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 3:30 pm to
I'm just helping point out you are trying to make it about race, which it's not. That's all.

You even followed me to the recruiting board only to try and start some shite, not about football but about racism.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12744 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 3:31 pm to
quote:

Maybe its a race thing?
Yes, it absolutely is a race thing. There are some people (including on this board) who can remain oblivious to the real world while they sit and wait for every opportunity to turn something into a racial dispute. These people can hear a million comments going one way, and then hear one that fits their needs and come out with, "why is EVERYONE saying this?"

Case in point, Flynn vs. JaMarcus. Some people on here complain that it must be a race thing that caused everyone on here to overwhelmingly believe that Flynn was better than JaMarcus. And that is simply delusional. Very few people on here ever actually claimed that Flynn was a better QB. And yet, to these racist racebaiters, every comment defending Flynn equals an automatic racist-inspired insistance that he was better than JaMarcus.

There has been almost a year (at least) of consistent posts about Hatch that he is not an SEC-caliber QB. SFP would have you believe that every single one of them sparked multiple posts of outrage because he is white. That is absolutely bullshite because the VAST majority of them never sparked any disagreement at all, much less any outrage. But when people start making needlessly harsh comments about a guy who is transferring, some people defended him -- in EXACTLY the same way that SOME people would defend any other LSU player, and ALSO in the same way that SFP and others always defend Keiland, JaMarcus, Jefferson, etc. -- and all of a sudden SFP acts like every negative post about Hatch sparks outrage.

I would challenge SFP to go back and find every negative comment about Hatch and count up how many responses they have gotten over the last year and a half. I know that he won't because he knows as well as anyone else that his claim is bullshite; most of the negative comments about Hatch go completely unremarked upon. And yet, he pulls this out because he believes it is an opportunity for him to complain about racism on this board. He does this because he is a shite stirrer, and because it generates board activity (which is his real purpose). I don't have a problem with generating board activity.

I do have a problem with people twisting the truth and flat out lying to exaggerate whatever race problems might exist among the LSU fanbase, including the rant. It's disingenuous bullshite, and more importantly it looks bad for the school.

Posted by Jaydeaux
Covington
Member since May 2005
19633 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 3:36 pm to
King Joey, thanks for saying what i've been trying to. You did a much better job than I.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
87350 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 3:38 pm to
Maximus could find racism in a barrel of pickels.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49392 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 3:41 pm to
quote:

Case in point, Flynn vs. JaMarcus. Some people on here complain that it must be a race thing that caused everyone on here to overwhelmingly believe that Flynn was better than JaMarcus. And that is simply delusional. Very few people on here ever actually claimed that Flynn was a better QB. And yet, to these racist racebaiters, every comment defending Flynn equals an automatic racist-inspired insistance that he was better than JaMarcus.


This would be a great argument if the highlighted portion wasn't completely false.

quote:

I do have a problem with people twisting the truth and flat out lying


Shockingly ironic

Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 3:42 pm to
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This would be a great argument if the highlighted portion wasn't completely false.


it was around 5 posters generating all that stuff...Al Bundy and roygu accounted for about 85%.
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36896 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 3:45 pm to
quote:

it was around 5 posters generating all that stuff...


Yet somehow that reflected "the Rant".
Posted by HOUbengal
Houston
Member since Oct 2003
8123 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 3:48 pm to
Ive only read the initial post and nothing more...

But I dont understand this thread. I think it's been open season on Hatch and Lee and KW has been off-limits to criticism...

Maybe I woke up in Bizarro world today and everything is backwards...

Posted by Jaydeaux
Covington
Member since May 2005
19633 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 3:54 pm to
No you're pretty close Hou. Just a couple of guys that are in lust with KW bitching.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476125 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 4:07 pm to
quote:

Case in point, Flynn vs. JaMarcus. Some people on here complain that it must be a race thing that caused everyone on here to overwhelmingly believe that Flynn was better than JaMarcus. And that is simply delusional. Very few people on here ever actually claimed that Flynn was a better QB. And yet, to these racist racebaiters, every comment defending Flynn equals an automatic racist-inspired insistance that he was better than JaMarcus.

no what brought out racial comments was the fact that people said flynn was smarter and more accurate. neither are close to being true, and i still have yet to figure out how these attributes could have been associated with the argument other than racial stereotypes

THAT comparison had a big racial component. i have been painfully clear that race isn't the only factor

Posted by lsugambit
Hammond
Member since Dec 2005
385 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 4:15 pm to
Just a question, but how do you know that Flynn being smarter is not even close to being true?

Just curious.

Another question, do you have more posts on here than anyone else?
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
84593 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 4:17 pm to
Mike VI is a true tiger
Posted by TigerJohn
The 5th Floor
Member since May 2004
15705 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 4:17 pm to
"Jamarcus Russell aint got it between the ears"


"Matt Flynn's Got a Ring...Jamarcus doesn't"

-radio callers
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49392 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 4:18 pm to
quote:

Just a question, but how do you know that Flynn being smarter is not even close to being true?


Talking about football "smarts"

Russell had the higher completion percentage and passer rating. Those are usually pretty good indicators.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49392 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 4:19 pm to
quote:

"Matt Flynn's Got a Ring...Jamarcus doesn't"


Thats such a ridiculous argument.
Posted by TigerJohn
The 5th Floor
Member since May 2004
15705 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 4:21 pm to
Yes it is. There are countless people who will call up and use that. I used to get callers all the time that said Russell wasn't as smart as Flynn or Mauck because they have rings.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49392 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 4:22 pm to
quote:

Yes it is. There are countless people who will call up and use that. I used to get callers all the time that said Russell wasn't as smart as Flynn or Mauck because they have rings


The 2006 team had a better season than the 2007 team. It just so happened that all the cards fell in LSU's favor in the last week of the season.
Posted by lsugambit
Hammond
Member since Dec 2005
385 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 4:26 pm to
You can't quantify football smarts with higher completions and passer ratings. One guy was a genetic freak who could make any throw he wanted, the other had a decent arm and decent foot speed.

Also, JR had more playing time going into his second year. He was basically splitting time with Randall for an entire season.
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
46367 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 4:27 pm to
quote:


The 2006 team had a better season than the 2007 team.


whoa
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