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re: Serious Q - what has to happen before this board admits that criticism of WW is fair?

Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:09 am to
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
14500 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:09 am to
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stop the narrative...
Alleva's job was to protect LSU, not any one coach.
Alleva did not put Wade on tape, Wade put Wade on tape.

You can protect your school and the coach at the same time. A good place to start would be to not run to the media before you have a chance to speak to said coach.
Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2014
13734 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:15 am to
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The haters just don’t like him bc he’s successful and they’re probably not. They seem like very negative, insecure, low IQ individuals


In life your most vocal critics are usually people that are jealous of where you are and want to bring you down to their level.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
57665 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:19 am to
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stop the narrative... Alleva's job was to protect LSU, not any one coach. Alleva did not put Wade on tape, Wade put Wade on tape. not a fan of Alleva, enough negative can be attributed to him reg the programs, but this continuous blame and absolution of Wade is not valid.


And to compound the frick up, Wade made it even worse. I lost a lot of respect for him with how he handled the situation
Posted by Bottom9
Arsenal Til I Die
Member since Jul 2010
21720 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:50 am to
Here's the thing Pirate, nobody gives an absolute SINGLE frick about you respecting anything. Lmao "I lost alot of respect for (Wade)"



My man Will Wade is making $2.5 million a year, soon to be nearly $4 million and he is turning this program into a national contender.

I'm sure he cries himself to sleep at night reading posts by you, TNTigerman or whatever the frick that pussy's name is, Indian, rbdallas, aquatic, and bassman. You guys are losers in life and Will Wade is a fricking winner and will continue to be a winner. Prepare yourselves for many more SEC Championships as long as he is here you fricking clowns.
This post was edited on 3/5/20 at 8:52 am
Posted by LSU FSU Grad
Member since Jul 2014
2771 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 8:54 am to
Facts of Life: Most sports teams lose.

TR can't accept that. That's why they call it The Rant!
Posted by beauchristopher
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
65867 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 9:01 am to
He is coming off winning the SEC a season ago and is about to make the tourney this season..

He is building a beast of a roster next season..

Maybe if they miss the tourney or something then heavy criticizing might be more understandable?

I am not a basketball fan, but I think criticizing too much is unwarranted ATM. The few games I have watch over the past 2 seasons I did not like his lack of use of timeouts late in the game. These are close games they lost and I felt would have won with a timeout used.

Posted by WaydownSouth
Stratton Oakmont
Member since Nov 2018
8150 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 9:06 am to
Whenever he misses the post season.

Went from making the post season once every 4-5 years to now

NIT, NCAA, NCAA, and very likely NCAA next season


There are several things he does that deserve criticism. Not a big fan of his use of timeouts, or starting all three post players for most of the season together.


But people bitching that this team is only going to be an 8 seed in the tourney can kick rocks. He has lost 1 game all year that they shouldn’t have lost (maybe 2 if you factor in a blown 16 point lead to Utah St). Our basketball program is in great hands and we need to lock him up long term
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28335 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 9:11 am to
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Exactly. When he’s done something to warrant criticism, most will be fine with doing so lol


Serious question. Is it unreasonable to acknowledge and criticize a three year trend of poor defense? The LONE aspect that is holding this team/program back from truly being a championship level program?

There are SO many more good things he has done for the program than bad. And anyone wanting him fired is irrational. But can we not acknowledge there is a CLEAR issue keeping his good teams (and make no mistake, this is a good team) from potentially being great? Is that unreasonable?

The frustration comes not because people aren't happy the program seems to be in better shape than it was for the 20+ years prior to Wade OR that they are expecting national championships every year, but from looking at the team compared to the rest of college basketball and realizing that if they just played marginally better defense they truly could be a championship contender.
Posted by WaydownSouth
Stratton Oakmont
Member since Nov 2018
8150 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 9:13 am to
Top 10? No, but given his age and success thus far, there aren’t very many I’d take over him.

Top 25 coach IMO

In basketball there are 3x as many schools in D1 than football so being a top 25 coach when teams like Seton Hall, Nova, Dayton, Gonzaga, SD St all have solid programs is pretty damn good
Posted by 1badboy
In space
Member since Jul 2014
8103 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 9:14 am to
Until LSU gets a point guard we are going to (suck)!!! We don't have clue on how to play defense!
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39980 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 9:16 am to
Our defense has been bad all year and no one is disputing that. Despite all of the doom and gloom our only truly bad loss all year is Vandy. What kind of criticism are you looking to make?

This team has hit or exceeded everyone's reasonable expectations. Wade has done an outstanding job in his time here and has what looks to be an incredible recruiting class coming in for next year. Calm your tits.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39980 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 9:17 am to
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Until LSU gets a point guard we are going to (suck)!!!

By no objective measure does this team suck. Also, why do people keep acting like our offense is an issue? I'm honesty at a loss.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68568 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 9:20 am to
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This is funny considering no one grants Mainieri this, despite the fact that he quickly rectified Smoke's bullshite. I think most people on this board believe Paul took over after Skip.




Time lines are diff.

For example. Les won more gmaes his first season then Saban did the year before and had LSU in the sec championship year 1. That gave him some faith with the fanbase. But it wore off. Just like it has with Mainieri.

If we are still talking about the same shortcomings a decade later with Wade, then that would be the same.
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
12233 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 9:21 am to
I don't understand the intolerance for criticism of Wade or Orgeron. These guys are very highly paid and sometimes they make mistakes or fall into counterproductive practices. Part of sport is questioning these perceived errors.
Yes, Wade has moved the program a long way from the performance during the Jones era. Isn't that a pretty low bar?
No coach is above criticism.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66454 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 9:22 am to
Sure but in 2 years he won the SEC and we went the farthest we’ve been in the Tournament since 2006

The “Wade Can’t Coach” takes are just bad.

He’s also bringing in 7 new players next year

His ability to turn over a roster is amazing.

(When he’s allowed to do so)
This post was edited on 3/5/20 at 9:25 am
Posted by Tigerfan7218
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2010
14251 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 9:29 am to
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Alleva's job was to protect LSU, not any one coach.
Alleva did not put Wade on tape, Wade put Wade on tape.


Sure, but again, literally no one has heard these mythical tapes as far as we are aware...

Also, if there was some sort of hard evidence don't you think with all of the other notices of allegations that have already gone out (USC, SCAR, Kansas, TCU, NC State, Oregon to name a few) don't you think LSU with all the very loud talk about it would have gotten one as well?

I don't get it, are the media (national especially) just a bunch of shock jocks looking for ratings and clicks, or are they infallible, perfectly unbiased sources of nothing but factual information? It seems like it changes every other day

Wade openly admits he could have handled the situation after the suspension better, however it should have never gotten to that point if the administration was actually competent
This post was edited on 3/5/20 at 9:30 am
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
57665 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 10:58 am to
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You guys are losers in life and Will Wade is a fricking winner


Winners don’t discuss cash offers about recruits on a damn telephone call from his cell phone. That is legit one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen a coach do. I mean just stupid on so many levels.

Especially discussing it with this Dawkins guy. Then lying about it after the fact to make it worse.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66454 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 11:00 am to
I mean Regardless of what phone he used Dawkins’ phone was going to be wire tapped.

It is dumb to do this personally and not through third parties but this wasn’t a normal situation. The fricking FBInusually isn’t doing the NCAAs job
Posted by Rosenblatt
Member since Apr 2019
6294 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 11:29 am to
Link to where Coach Wade discussed an illegal offer?

I’ll wait

For that matter, I’ll wait for anyone to produce a link where Coach Wade is discussing cash or making any illegal offer.

Will check back later. I’m sure it won’t take long to find the evidence of these accusations
This post was edited on 3/5/20 at 11:32 am
Posted by sunnydaze
Member since Jan 2010
29995 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 11:30 am to
Who could LSU get that’s better?

He has recruited well and will make 2 tourneys in a row
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