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re: SEC Championship Game Tiebreaker
Posted on 10/16/24 at 2:17 pm to TygerDurden
Posted on 10/16/24 at 2:17 pm to TygerDurden
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I can imagine there are scenarios where not going to championship game may be beneficial.
I can also see a couple teams turning down an SEC championship appearance to avoid another loss and possibly missing the playoff.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 2:17 pm to IvoryBillMatt
G. Flip a coin at the truck stop on I-20
Posted on 10/16/24 at 2:19 pm to JOJO Hammer
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I can also see a couple teams turning down an SEC championship appearance
Posted on 10/16/24 at 2:21 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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Seattle, Dallas, Green Bay 2014 NFC tie breaker. Head to head goes out the window unless one team beats both of the other teams.
Seattle, Dallas, Green Bay 2014 NFC tie breaker. Head to head goes out the window unless one team beats both of the other teams.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 2:22 pm to IvoryBillMatt
quote:Hopefully it never comes down to these terrible options
• E. Capped relative scoring margin versus all conference opponents among the tied teams. Formula will include a cap of 42 points scored on offense and 48 points allowed on defense.
• F. Random draw of the tied teams."
Posted on 10/16/24 at 2:29 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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E. Capped relative scoring margin versus all conference opponents among the tied teams. Formula will include a cap of 42 points scored on offense and 48 points allowed on defense.
E. is crazy! If you win all of your games by 7 points, and lose one 48-47, but the other team wins all of theirs by 7 and loses one 60-42, this will be a "push." Also, any game that you win where your opponent scores more than 42 points actually produces a negative margin of victory.
Example: team A wins 42-41 against Team C on a last minute field goal in regulation. It gives them a +1 point differential. Team B gets tied by Team C 42-42 on a last minute field goal and then Team C kicks a field goal in the first OT because they start in fg range but Team B's defense steps up. Team B scores a TD to win 48-45. Team B gets a -3 point differential as if they had lost the game that they won by 3.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 3:29 pm to GeauxTigers1410
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Head to head goes out the window unless one team beats both of the other teams.
It still goes out the window if one team beat the other two, but the other teams didn’t face each other. Head-to-head is only used if there is a true round Robin amongst all teams who are tied.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 3:33 pm to LSU03
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E. is crazy! If you win all of your games by 7 points, and lose one 48-47, but the other team wins all of theirs by 7 and loses one 60-42, this will be a "push." Also, any game that you win where your opponent scores more than 42 points actually produces a negative margin of victory. Example: team A wins 42-41 against Team C on a last minute field goal in regulation. It gives them a +1 point differential. Team B gets tied by Team C 42-42 on a last minute field goal and then Team C kicks a field goal in the first OT because they start in fg range but Team B's defense steps up. Team B scores a TD to win 48-45. Team B gets a -3 point differential as if they had lost the game that they won by 3.
That was just someone’s flawed interpretation of how the caps work. I think they probably took something that was a specific example and wrongly extrapolated the specifics to apply in all cases. The formula is actually far more complicated and convoluted than that, which isn’t necessarily a good thing, but it doesn’t produce the kinds of distortions you are pointing out here. It’s more like if the average margin of victory is 10 points, the most you get credit for in any one game is 20. That’s still too simplified but it’s the basic concept.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 4:17 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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Yup. Also, as many have pointed out, a 10-3 loser of SEC Championship might get left out of playoff in favor of another 10-2 SEC team.
Zero chance this happens.... ZERO.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 7:01 pm to TygerDurden
Players and the fans want to win championships. That starts with winning the conference and that I’d through Atlanta, GA. You never ever want to pass up the chance to when the SEC championship. Ask the players, coaches and true fans what’s important to them and they will surely tell you it’s all about championships. The national championship is great but you still want bragging rights in ur own conference.
Geaux fighting tigers
Geaux fighting tigers
Posted on 10/16/24 at 7:27 pm to JOJO Hammer
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I can also see a couple teams turning down an SEC championship appearance to avoid another loss and possibly missing the playoff
That’s not an option.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 7:33 pm to IvoryBillMatt
The playoff committee should guarantee a playoff spot for the SEC loser because what’s the point otherwise?
Posted on 10/16/24 at 8:02 pm to IvoryBillMatt
I think it's too early to tell what the committee will do. Let's say that the top 4 teams in the SEC are Texas, LSU, Georgia, and Tennessee. LSU goes into the championship game 7-1 with a loss to Alabama, and loses to Texas. I could see the committee saying LSU was 0-1 against the top 4 teams, and if Bama is #5, 0-2 against the top 5 in the conference and lost OOC to a 3+ loss team, so they get left out.
I expect in most years the #12 seed will be a conference champ ranked lower than 12th. The 5 seed might be the best spot. Home game against the lowest ranked conference champ followed by the 4 seed.
I expect in most years the #12 seed will be a conference champ ranked lower than 12th. The 5 seed might be the best spot. Home game against the lowest ranked conference champ followed by the 4 seed.
Posted on 10/16/24 at 8:16 pm to Poohbear8487
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The playoff committee should guarantee a playoff spot for the SEC loser because what’s the point otherwise?
The only way I see the SEC runner-up missing the playoff is if they are 9-3 heading into the game and they get bumped out of the 12th spot by the Non-P4 team that gets the automatic bid.
Posted on 10/19/24 at 8:28 am to MikeTheTiger71
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That’s not what it’s about. There are only about 20 programs that generate the majority of the revenue in the sport.
No that’s not what it’s about. It’s about large broadcasting networks fighting over regional market shares. The long term sustainability of the sport will always take a backseat to short term profits for these mega corporations.
Posted on 10/19/24 at 9:00 am to Hot Carl
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This is gonna eventually buttfrick somebody.
If you’re in a tiebreaker for the SEC Championship you’ve likely got a good enough record to make the playoff already. It could be a blessing to not play the Championship Game.
Posted on 10/19/24 at 10:06 am to Srobi14
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No that’s not what it’s about. It’s about large broadcasting networks fighting over regional market shares. The long term sustainability of the sport will always take a backseat to short term profits for these mega corporations.
As with any economic condition, there are supply and demand components. Conferences wouldn’t be consolidating to increase revenue if there were no revenue to be had. While consolidation does enhance revenue by creating more premier matchups, those matchups could have been created through scheduling agreements between the conferences. The problem with that is that the SEC and Big 10 would have had to share more of the revenue with other conferences and the teams that moved to the SEC and Big 10 would have had to share with the rest of the Big 12 and PAC-12. The networks would have been more than happy to get the same content from 64 teams spread across 5 conferences vs having it more concentrated in 2 conferences with 34 teams. The consolidation was entirely about 16-18 of the top 20 revenue generating programs only having to share with 34 teams instead spread out amongst 64 teams.
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