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re: Screen captures of last A&M drive

Posted on 11/25/18 at 10:53 am to
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
44414 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 10:53 am to
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That’s why I showed the two pics - original line of scrimmage and where he ended up.
I did see your two pics, thanks. What I then said was I'd like to see a pic with the 1st down marker visible. If you guys say it was a 1st I believe you, I just wanted to see it myself.
This post was edited on 11/25/18 at 10:55 am
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 10:54 am to
I agree that’s a terrible rule. If a fumble is rolling around and touching players hands on the ground why are they not down as soon as their hand touches it?
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
44414 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 10:54 am to
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This is the first down in that series.
Who's yellow line is that?
Posted by Hester Carries
Member since Sep 2012
24192 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 10:57 am to
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What?


Touching a live ball constitutes possession?

How does it not pertain to those scenarios?
Posted by Skin
Member since Jun 2007
6376 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 10:57 am to
Dude, you’re thinking too much about lines and markers. Just do the math from where the ball is on the field on 1st down
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
29452 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 10:58 am to
Don’t worry about the line. Look at where the ball is and count 10 yards down field.
Posted by mali4lsu
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2007
57 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:01 am to
Key word “Close”. If you reverse one close call with the questionable knee being down and Mond not in control of the ball, how do you not at least review close fumble of a reception?? That’s the problem.
Posted by Statestreet
Gueydan
Member since Sep 2008
13774 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:03 am to
1. He didn't possess the football and you can not say for 100% accuracy that his knee is down.

2. Where's the photo of the Aggie TE fumble?
This post was edited on 11/25/18 at 11:05 am
Posted by TigersFan64
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2014
4755 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:07 am to
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If the ball hits the ground with one second, then the ref blows the whistle, then the clock operator stops the clock, no way there's any time left.


Agreed. LSU lost a game a few years ago in about the same situation with time running out. I've never seen a team successfully spike it with so little time on the clock (before last night, that is).
This post was edited on 11/25/18 at 11:08 am
Posted by nobigdeal69
baton rouge
Member since Nov 2009
2229 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:10 am to
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So when someone fumbles and they are down, all they have to do is touch it and the play is over?


I see bad snaps all the time where offensive linemen are on the ground touching / moving the ball, only for it to be recovered by the defense. Right? Or am I thinnking NFL.
This post was edited on 11/25/18 at 11:14 am
Posted by nobigdeal69
baton rouge
Member since Nov 2009
2229 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:13 am to
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Key word “Close”. If you reverse one close call with the questionable knee being down and Mond not in control of the ball, how do you not at least review close fumble of a reception?? That’s the problem.


The call on the field was incomplete. Since that’s the case, I don’t think you can review it and change possession.
Posted by kncstrand
Houston, Tx
Member since Oct 2011
377 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:13 am to
The clock operator can’t stop the clock until the ref signals to stop the clock. That signals the play is over. That call stole the game from LSU. And the refs knew this. If the clock operator could stop the clock when ever the ball or the ballcartier was down he would control the game and most clock operators would be under investigation.
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
44414 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:13 am to
I just watched the replay on watchespn and clearly a first down, made it by a couple of yards
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:14 am to
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He only has to be touching the ball when knee is down


Please cite the rule you are using
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
107424 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:17 am to
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The clock operator can’t stop the clock until the ref signals to stop the clock. That signals the play is over. That call stole the game from LSU. And the refs knew this. If the clock operator could stop the clock when ever the ball or the ballcartier was down he would control the game and most clock operators would be under investigation.




Correct. Football does not have the same sort of clock precision as say basketball. It’s silliness to try to make it such in certain scenarios or even pretend you should be able to do so.
This post was edited on 11/25/18 at 11:18 am
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:17 am to
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The clock operator can’t stop the clock until the ref signals to stop the clock. That signals the play is over. That call stole the game from LSU. And the refs knew this. If the clock operator could stop the clock when ever the ball or the ballcartier was down he would control the game and most clock operators would be under investigation.


And that’s exactly my point. You don’t get to review that and look at the exact millisecond the ball touches the first blade of grass
Posted by ifyoubuildit
Member since Jan 2018
253 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:19 am to
Many posters here are completely missing it. Their is no special rule that applies. What happened is the QB fumbled the snap and it is a loose ball. Just because he is touching the ball while trying to recover and his knee or any other body part is down means nothing. It’s when he gains possession of the loose ball that matters. When he gains possession of the loose ball his knee is off the ground. Clearly not enough evidence to overturn the ruling on the field. This is a completely bungled call by the officials that cost LSU the game. The booth official had to be looking extra hard to find something that wasn’t even there to begin with and then the rules interpretation of when he had possession of the fumble was completely incorrect.

And then there’s this: On the last play of regulation there were two completely missed infractions that are indisputable. 1st — the four receivers were all lined up on the same yard line. Either they were all on the line of scrimmage or they were all in the backfield. In the first case there were not enough players behind the LOS (4 required). In the second case there were too many behind the LOS. 2nd — The left tackle was not “covered” and as such is an eligible receiver. However, by NCAA rule his jersey number is not in the eligible range for him to be a receiver and this is an infraction.

These are two plays that had indisputable blown calls that cost LSU the game. There are other erroneous calls on other plays too but these are the most flagrant.

Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
29452 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:21 am to
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However, by NCAA rule his jersey number is not in the eligible range for him to be a receiver and this is an infraction.

This is not an NCAA rule fwiw. If it is at least one of the hundreds of people making this claim should be able to provide the link. This isn’t the NFL, the tackles don’t have to be covered.
Posted by grape nutz
sesame street
Member since Mar 2006
3445 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:23 am to
And still-pictures do nothing to prove most of these. Most weren't clear after 5 replays.

LSU got screwed multiple times.

Not sure why the so called objective LSU fan has to go out of his way to prove otherwise.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
21468 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:24 am to
The most unfortunate aspect of the last drive was the knee being down. If they would have called this in real time, it would have been utter chaos. Yes they had 10 seconds run off the clock but that would not have been the actual result. It would have effectively been a sack that nobody realized happened. They essentially got a timeout out of the situation.

It was the right call but there is no doubt that was a huge break for them having it not called on the field.

PI on greedy 2 hours later was a bullshite call.

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