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Posted on 7/8/24 at 2:08 pm to LSBoosie
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Like I've asked before, how will schools that can't pay anywhere near the cap be able to compete?
They will be in the same position that they are in now?
Yep.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 2:09 pm to Nutriaitch
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most you can do is limit how much can come directly from the school itself.
You could tighten rules on the school's involvement, but without atringent enforcement, it would be pointless. It also would face major scrutiny from the legislative branch of the US unless there's a way for them to make money from it.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 2:15 pm to Alt26
quote:He probably doesn’t even know. There’s something in the water today with random unsubstantiated topics with no origin or link.
Are you just venting/suggesting this? Or did someone actually proposed a cap?
NIL value in its strictest sense can’t be arbitrarily subject to a cap without the players agreement. Anyone that doesn’t understand that concept is more wishcasting than discussing actualities.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 2:25 pm to BadaBingBadaBoom
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They will have to implement a cap! No way around it! If not it will be like it was years ago when illegal recruiting wasn’t dealt with!
The second this is taken to court (and it will be) it will be eliminated with the quickness.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 2:27 pm to atltiger6487
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correct.
Go back to the one-year waiting period after a transfer (except for grad transfer) and a lot of this nonsense will slow down.
But right now, players can put themselves up for sale every year and transfer and play immediately.
Put restrictions on the portal and this situation will improve a lot.
I hate to break it to you, but this isn't going to happen. Chalk it up as one of the THOUSANDS of short-sighted societal decisions made in 2020, which was the year of "we have to do something!!!!" where people/businesses/government officials made countless decisions with little to no forethought whatsoever as to what could be the potential long repercussions of those decisions.
Prior to 2020 there was a push, but not a strong push to eliminate the "sit out" rule for college football and basketball players. Most players just kind of accepted that was the case. The NCAA then changed the rule "on an emergency basis" because of the panicdemic. It was only supposed to be a temporary one year deviation from the norm...until it wasn't.
For the 2022-2023 season the elimination of the one year waiting period became permanent. But it ONLY allowed one "free" transfer, absent a waiver. The waiting period still applied to 2x+ transfers.
That was almost immediately challenged by schools and attorney generals in states who had 2x transfer football and basketball players they wanted to be immediately eligible for the 2023-2024 seasons. One of those was in West Virginia where the court ruled, on a temporary basis, the waiting period rule could not be applied for 2x transfers. The NCAA saw the writing on the wall that the next step would be a permanent ruling eliminating the waiting period rule so they just went ahead and accepted the inevitable.
Now, the "waiting period" rule was on it's way towards being eliminated anyway. But the decisions of 2020 expedited that push. The timing though couldn't have been worse because it coincided with the 2021 USSC NIL ruling, which essentially created unfettered free agency.
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Because right now, the game doesn't resemble the college sports that I once loved.
And it never will again. Accept that NIL is not going away. Accept that there will be no NIL "cap" unless collectively bargained for. Accept there will be no multi-year contracts tying a player to the school unless collectively bargained for. So rather than longing for an era that isn't coming back, the NCAA and conferences should be proactive in creating a sport/product within the framework of the law and reality that college football and basketball have LONG been more of a multi-million (now billion) entertainment business than scholastic extracurricular.
Whether you choose to consume that version of college sports is up to you.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 2:28 pm to Alt26
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Are you just venting/suggesting this? Or did someone actually proposed a cap?
Guessing got it from TD News/ Larry Leo via Twitter
Link - the AAC may look into a cap
Posted on 7/8/24 at 2:32 pm to ATLTiger
That’s the only update I saw. This isn’t a new proposal. Same thing initially proposed in May - the new AAC commissioner is just suggesting lowering it to even less than 22% for their schools.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 2:35 pm to ATLTiger
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Guessing got it from TD News/ Larry Leo via Twitter
That is a terribly worded tweet for someone who posits himself a "sports lawyer". What the Memphis AD (who is being citied) is discussing is REVENUE SHARING (i.e. the players getting a % of the revenue generated by the conference) not a "NIL cap".
"Revenue sharing" is what pro leagues/players unions agree to....which, in turn, dictate salaries. There are no "NIL caps" in those leagues. Again, an awfully worded tweet.
This post was edited on 7/8/24 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 7/8/24 at 2:54 pm to JimTiger72
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The 22% cap has already drawn scrutiny from those who have been advocating for athlete rights. In major professional sports leagues, the split between players and teams is around 50-50.
people need to move away from even attempting to make this comparison as the difference between them is too large to just gloss over.
LSU (for example) has to use their athletic revenue to support:
Baseball
Men's Basketball
Women's Basketball
Women's Beach Volleyball
Men's Cross Country
Football
Men's Golf
Women's Golf
Women's Gymnastics
Women's Soccer
Softball
Men's Swimming and Diving
Women's Swimming and Diving
Men's Tennis
Women's Tennis
Men's Indoor Track
Women's Indoor Track
Men's Outdoor Track
Women's Outdoor track
Women's Volleyball
That's players, coaches, support staff, facilities, etc. for each of those (yes, some of those share facilities with others, but still)
Pro-Sports teams only have to support themselves, and no other teams.
and the vast majority of them do not even own or operate their arenas/stadiums (only 4 in NFL ; 7 in MLB ; 1 in NBA are actually owned by the teams instead of the city/state).
So just use the Saints as an example.
They don't own the Dome, they lease it. And the terms of their lease maxes out their annual payment at $800k.
And maintenance is included as part of that max $800k.
LSU owns and maintains:
Tiger Stadium
Alex Box
PMAC
Tiger Park
Bernie Moore Track
Madden Field House
Beach Volleyball courts
Soccer stadium
Tennis complex
the Natatorium
that's a lot more overhead at your typical Power5 level school than any pro team.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 3:05 pm to Nutriaitch
quote:And they just settled a case for over a billion dollars and agreed to stop doing it, because they know it is a blatant antitrust violation, and they finally got called out for it.
they do it now, and have for a over a century.
Question is what happens going forward. They can't unilaterally limit athlete compensation from the schools. SCOTUS has basically said as much.
This post was edited on 7/8/24 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 7/8/24 at 3:06 pm to paulb52
... was proposed today in a conversation by the AAC commissioner (non-Power 5)
No cap incoming
No cap incoming
Posted on 7/8/24 at 3:13 pm to MintBerry Crunch
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was proposed today in a conversation by the AAC commissioner (non-Power 5)
Except he didn't. He threw out an idea of potential "revenue sharing". That is NOT the same thing as an "NIL cap".
It's terrible "journalism" that people are running with. The guy did not propose a "NIL cap"
Posted on 7/8/24 at 4:14 pm to Gravitiger
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And they just settled a case for over a billion dollars and agreed to stop doing it, because they know it is a blatant antitrust violation, and they finally got called out for it.
that case was about the NCAA preventing players from entering into endorsement deals.
NOT about schools themselves directly providing money to the players.
because the NCAA prevented them from making that money, the NCAA has to fork over the back pay money.
however, in that settlement, they agreed to allow (but not require) schools to pay up to $20-$22 mil max per year (each school can determine how much of that money, and how it is dispersed).
which is by definition "capping" what the schools can pay.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 5:20 pm to The Mick
Same position they're in now. The difference with a salary cap is you don't shrink the sport to even less than what it currently is by just a few money universities.
I don't think a salary cap proposal is realistic. It would be hard to enforce legally.
I don't think a salary cap proposal is realistic. It would be hard to enforce legally.
This post was edited on 7/8/24 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 7/8/24 at 5:36 pm to The Mick
They won’t. Just like the last 30+ years.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 5:37 pm to paulb52
But the players should be paid!!!!! 100k dollar free education and access to everything you need to develop for the next level for free isn't enough ....sorry
Posted on 7/8/24 at 5:48 pm to paulb52
This will get thrown out with the quickness also it will be impossible to enforce
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