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re: Saban's free pass...
Posted on 10/27/08 at 10:06 pm to drizztiger
Posted on 10/27/08 at 10:06 pm to drizztiger
quote:
Saban came here for the $$$
That and the fact that Louisiana was a coach's dream of a recruiting area - and LSU was the only game in town.
If you don't believe me then believe Little Nicky. He said so himself.
And I will not provide a link. Find it yourself.
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Posted on 10/27/08 at 10:08 pm to LSU Tiger
quote:
Find it yourself.
Find what myself? That LSU was a sleeping giant? A lot of us thought that. Bling boy did too. But like YOU said, who was coming here? We got shot down by all the big names. We still paid $$$ his money and he paid off - regardless if donks like you think so or not.
Posted on 10/27/08 at 10:39 pm to drizztiger
quote:Why...because I proved my point with facts and you can't provide any.
Never post again. Please.
Posted on 10/27/08 at 10:56 pm to Victry4LSU
quote:
Why...because I proved my point with facts and you can't provide any.
Miles is a great defensive coach. Good job, Corkey.
Posted on 10/27/08 at 11:27 pm to Tigahbait25
quote:It's not unfair because Miles acheived more with Saban's players than Saban did. Do you need me to put those stats too. You say it's unfair...OK. Forget about Saban's 1st two years....Fair enough? Miles 1st 3 years were still better than Saban's last 3 years. Another thing, LSU fired a 33-24-1 coach for 35-24-1 coach that lost 45-26 to the one that was fired. Big risk there. Dinardo, Watts, and Reeves could have very well accomplished what Saban did with the Clayton/ Spears class comimg to LSU regardless. Dinardo/Watts/Reeves were the coached that woke the sleeping giant. Dinardo/?/Tepper allowed the giant to doze off and Saban and the Clayton/Spears class re-awoken it. Dinardo was 26-9-1 and was still bringing in players like Bradie James, Trev Faulk, but Tepper's defensive schemes made 9-10 win teams into 4-3 win teams so Saban did not take over a program in shambles. LSU had very good talent when Saban arrived. LSU made Saban more than Saban made LSU. So to claim my arguments are unfair or dumb, you need to either quit pretending Saban came into a hopeless situation or compare Saban's last 3 years to Mile's 1st 3 years. I think I'm being fair and the pro-Sabans are the ones being unfair.
Miles came in after Saban to a team any coach could have won with. The players were in line and the program was as well. Little different when Saban came. Therefore comparing the too with the first 2 statements is unfair to Saban. Same can be said for your third statement. Saban brought in great defensive players that Miles used. Saban was also dealt a hand where he had to rebuild his D when he started here.
The arguments for your side are unfair and frankly just dumb.
Posted on 10/27/08 at 11:31 pm to Victry4LSU
quote:
It's not unfair because Miles acheived more with Saban's players than Saban did
giving 2001 to dinardo, saban had 1 SEC title and 1 national title while building a program up from shite
miles has 1 SEC title and 1 national title while maintaining a well-oiled machine
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Dinardo, Watts, and Reeves could have very well accomplished what Saban did with the Clayton/ Spears class comimg to LSU regardless.
saban got those guys to stay in state and go to LSU. don't forget marquise hill. all 3 were gone pecans without saban
Posted on 10/27/08 at 11:35 pm to LSU Tiger
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Saban had some good teams at LSU, but the moon, stars and planets all aligned for LSU's SEC and BSC championships
and miles had the 2 most talented teams in LSU history back-to-back and he needed even more luck to get a shot at the title
quote:
Les Miles > Nick Saban. Anyone who disagrees can go piss up a rope.
will you be singing this tune if saban takes his rebuilding bama team to tiger stadium and beats our well-established LSU team in 2 weeks?
Posted on 10/27/08 at 11:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
will you be singing this tune if saban takes his rebuilding bama team to tiger stadium and beats our well-established LSU team in 2 weeks?
I'll be singing some sorrowful tune as I jump out of the stadium head first.
Posted on 10/27/08 at 11:39 pm to AlexLSU
if saban beats miles in TS they will have to shut this site down for a week or 2
Posted on 10/27/08 at 11:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
and miles had the 2 most talented teams in LSU history back-to-back and he needed even more luck to get a shot at the title
+1
Posted on 10/27/08 at 11:45 pm to drizztiger
quote:Who said that? I did say Miles was offensive minded and that his LSU team to date (47 games including the 4 pick six and the TWO TRIPLE OT games) was statistically better (17.2 avg) than the defensive genious Saban's teams (17.7 avg). The offensive wizzard's D was even better than the defensive guru when both had a single DC (15.7 to 17.7). Chew on that, Corkey.
Miles is a great defensive coach. Good job, Corkey.
Posted on 10/27/08 at 11:46 pm to Victry4LSU
quote:
I did say Miles was offensive minded and that his LSU team to date (47 games including the 4 pick six and the TWO TRIPLE OT games) was statistically better (17.2 avg) than the defensive genious Saban's teams (17.7 avg).
and you don't think it's unfair to compare the absolutely sick loaded teams miles inherited to the demetrius hookfin-led teams that saban inherited?
miles had the most talented LSU team of all time in his 2nd year, so i'd expect that D to be amazing
Posted on 10/27/08 at 11:49 pm to Victry4LSU
quote:
Who said that? I did say Miles was offensive minded and that his LSU team to date
His great offensive mind that wanted to run the ball up the middle every fricking play when we had jemarcus russell and 3 nfl recievers?
Posted on 10/27/08 at 11:50 pm to Mmorsey
Quiet, Corkey is on a roll.
Posted on 10/28/08 at 12:07 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Let's quit pretending LSU was in shambles when Saban got here because it wasn't. LSU was only a DC away in 1998 and DC/OC away in 1999 for being 9-10 win teams. LSU with good OC/DC's were 10-2 and 9-3 prior to these two years and were still recruiting very good players and had Clayton/Spear/Hill just on the horizon.
giving 2001 to dinardo, saban had 1 SEC title and 1 national title while building a program up from shite
miles has 1 SEC title and 1 national title while maintaining a well-oiled machine
quote:I didn't forget Hill, just assumed people would know what was meant from Clayton/Spears CLASS. You can give credit to Saban if you want to, but they were coming to LSU regardless even if you want to say such foolishness as "all 3 were gone pecans without saban".
saban got those guys to stay in state and go to LSU. don't forget marquise hill. all 3 were gone pecans without saban
Posted on 10/28/08 at 12:11 am to Victry4LSU
quote:
LSU was only a DC away in 1998 and DC/OC away in 1999 for being 9-10 win teams.
the talent, esp in terms of tangible evidence like NFL selections (esp first day picks) doesn't back up this assessment
quote:
You can give credit to Saban if you want to, but they were coming to LSU regardless
Posted on 10/28/08 at 12:44 am to Mmorsey
quote:Dude....what's the point of taking this out of context. Get with the program.
His great offensive mind that wanted to run the ball up the middle every fricking play when we had jemarcus russell and 3 nfl recievers?
Posted on 10/28/08 at 1:05 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:But 19-5 the previous 2 years and replacing Carl Reese/Morris Watts with Tepper/New Hampsire or whoever OC trumps any BS you come up with, including your statement above.
LSU was only a DC away in 1998 and DC/OC away in 1999 for being 9-10 win teams.
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the talent, esp in terms of tangible evidence like NFL selections (esp first day picks) doesn't back up this assessment
Posted on 10/28/08 at 2:24 am to drizztiger
When will people learn! Saban won with GD players! He got a pass because he is good at intimidating weak people...and the south is full of weak-minded folks! Sorry, I know that the Truth hurts. This is why still even today, "The Lost Boys" suck up everybit of Shorty's bullshite! Eat up guys!!!
Posted on 10/28/08 at 2:36 am to Sammich
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the talent level that Saban inherited was A LOT higher than people seem to remember. Dinardo could recruit very well
yes, saban did inherit some pretty good talent, but the most important factor was the general attitude and culture of losing or mediocrity that he inherited. that is why the 02 season was accepted. miles became our coach 2 years after winning a national championship. there is a little bit of a difference.
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