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Posted on 4/8/20 at 7:34 pm to TigerLunatik
quote:I suggest you research Cam Newton’s recruitment to Auburn, but until you do, I suggest vagisil.
It could and that's where bringing up reasonable doubt comes in. But, that doesn't mean the NCAA will see it that way.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 7:52 pm to Cincinnati Bowtie
That was 10 years ago and I don't recall Chizik being on a recording talking about how he's made deals for players. Do you really have confidence in the NCAA showing consistency at all between the 2 situations even if they were even remotely the same? 
Posted on 4/8/20 at 8:51 pm to TigerLunatik
Since You’re anti LSU Basketball, research the term “plausible deniability” and it applies to both cases. It’s how Auburn got away even with a paper trail of money being exchanged. I haven’t seen an inkling of a money trail in this case. Neither did the NCAA. Of course Lester Earl and you probably have, so you two should probably forward it to the NCAA so you can get message board credibility.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 9:00 pm to Cincinnati Bowtie
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Since You’re anti LSU Basketbal
You really, really suck at reading comprehension.
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research the term “plausible deniability” and it applies to both cases
No it doesn't. There is no denying that Wade admitted to making deals with players in the past and that he went to Smart's mother with an offer that was tilted towards the family. If the NCAA wants to be assholes, they already have enough with just that to punish Wade if they want. That's the whole point. The NCAA is unpredictable and completely inconsistent from case to case.
Had Wade not been the one implicated here and was insulated, then you would have a point comparing the two situations.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 3:20 am to TigerLunatik
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There is no denying that Wade admitted to making deals with players in the past
Sure there is... he didn't say "deals with other players simpler than this", he said "deals simpler than this"...
At a minimum for plausible deniability, he's had at least 3 or 4 contract negotiations with universities.
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that he went to Smart's mother with an offer that was tilted towards the family
Again, it's all conjecture... Is it probably what he's talking about? Sure.
Can you prove it, especially with Smart being interviewed and then cleared to play? Nope.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 7:12 am to Tigerfan7218
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he didn't say "deals with other players simpler than this", he said "deals simpler than this"...
At a minimum for plausible deniability, he's had at least 3 or 4 contract negotiations with universities.
I think that's a stretch. He's talking about trying to make a deal for Smart and then says he's made deals simpler than this one. Sounds pretty specific within the context of the conversation. But, it doesn't matter what you or I or anyone else thinks other than the NCAA.
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Again, it's all conjecture
Let's hope the NCAA sees it that way. I really don't want to lose Wade or this recruiting class he's putting together. If he can get through this, I think recruits are going to love him even more and I doubt he ever does anything this sloppy ever again.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 7:42 am to TigerLunatik
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I think that's a stretch. He's talking about trying to make a deal for Smart and then says he's made deals simpler than this one. Sounds pretty specific within the context of the conversation. But, it doesn't matter what you or I or anyone else thinks other than the NCAA.
It's honestly not... Obviously the NCAA is not a court room, but this is the type of shite lawyers eat for lunch... you're inferring A LOT about words that aren't actually there.
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Let's hope the NCAA sees it that way. I really don't want to lose Wade or this recruiting class he's putting together. If he can get through this, I think recruits are going to love him even more and I doubt he ever does anything this sloppy ever again.
I mean obviously the NCAA is a pretty shady group, but I think they'd be hard pressed to find anything major here without being able to show money actually changed hands.
But yeah, I think he's learned from it and will be smarter about it (because he's going to keep doing what it takes to be competitive and I'm okay with that
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:14 am to TigerLunatik
quote:How would anyone know the context without hearing the whole call? The whole concept of an "offer" is selling the player and family on LSU when offering a scholarship.
I think that's a stretch. He's talking about trying to make a deal for Smart and then says he's made deals simpler than this one. Sounds pretty specific within the context of the conversation. But, it doesn't matter what you or I or anyone else thinks other than the NCAA
I thought there was more to this before watching "the Scheme". After listening to the clips, I am fairly convinced that it is overblown.
This post was edited on 4/9/20 at 8:16 am
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:41 am to mmcgrath
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How would anyone know the context without hearing the whole call? The whole concept of an "offer" is selling the player and family on LSU when offering a scholarship.
He didn’t sit out while LSU made a tournament run, then forfeit all his bonus money for talking about a scholarship
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:43 am to Lester Earl
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He didn’t sit out while LSU made a tournament run, then forfeit all his bonus money for talking about a scholarship
The Lester Earl go-to. You have said this no less than 500 times over the last year.
Explain to me why Alleva is gone, but Wade still isn't?
This post was edited on 4/9/20 at 8:45 am
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:54 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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Explain to me why Alleva is gone, but Wade still isn't?
I assure you it isn't just because of how he handled the Wade issue.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 9:18 am to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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The Lester Earl go-to. You have said this no less than 500 times over the last year.
It shows you just how many LSU fans do not live in reality
You know how many straight answers I’ve gotten back to that question after someone says he wasn’t talking about anything illegal? Zero
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Just base it on the actual facts
Posted on 4/9/20 at 9:21 am to Lester Earl
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Just base it on the actual facts
Actual facts. The pussy Alleva that you either worked for or are related to forced Wade's hand on those issues. Notice how the actual audio has resulted in nothing with an actual competent AD at the helm.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 9:24 am to LNCHBOX
I hope you typed that with gloves on
Posted on 4/9/20 at 9:26 am to Lester Earl
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I hope you typed that with gloves on
Your attempt to skirt the actual post with a shitty dig at me has failed.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 9:31 am to LNCHBOX
If you have a question or a well structured opinion & not a whiny, childish rant, I’m bored enough right now to address it.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 9:33 am to Lester Earl
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I cannot address the fact that a competent AD handled this infinitely better than Alleva, so I'm just going to keep my head in the sand.
FIFY
Posted on 4/9/20 at 9:36 am to Lester Earl
That cuts both ways though. “He wouldn’t have sat out if he didn’t do anything wrong.”
Ok well how wrong could it have been and how much proof could there be if after the NCAA came down and investigated and interviewed the player in question the player was reinstated and played the tourney and all of the next season, Wade was reinstated, and Wade currently has a recruiting class on pace to be even better than the one that landed him in hot water
Ok well how wrong could it have been and how much proof could there be if after the NCAA came down and investigated and interviewed the player in question the player was reinstated and played the tourney and all of the next season, Wade was reinstated, and Wade currently has a recruiting class on pace to be even better than the one that landed him in hot water
This post was edited on 4/9/20 at 9:38 am
Posted on 4/9/20 at 9:37 am to Lester Earl
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Downplaying it with irrelevant opinions is kind of silly, but if that is what eases your mind, so be it.
It’s not irrelevant opinions. It’s LSU fans on an anonymous forum.
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