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re: Ross Dellenger article on NIL and boosters(Kayshon Boutte is included)

Posted on 5/3/22 at 9:42 am to
Posted by Blutarsky
112th Congress
Member since Jan 2004
11726 posts
Posted on 5/3/22 at 9:42 am to
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Alabama and Texas A&M are


Tampering motherfrickers.

Posted by tigerlaw
Madisonville
Member since Mar 2004
818 posts
Posted on 5/3/22 at 9:44 am to
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he NCAA is doomed
NIL will lead to the end of amateur sports in college if left unchecked
As a fan, I am already losing interest in college sports in general due to what I view as unchecked corruption running rampant in the transfer portal and NIL
Kids are being improperly contacted on every front and the NCAA is complicit


I think the NCAA is letting the world burn to prompt Congress to do something - recall the Supreme Court NIL decision was based on a federal law (Sherman Act) and laws can be changed.
Posted by JamesMaskin
Member since Oct 2012
279 posts
Posted on 5/3/22 at 9:56 am to
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Nonsense. Jimbo specifically said that all of the 5 stars running to college station has zero to do with NIL. Saban has preached that NIL is being applied in a way that was never intended so you know his ethics and principles will prevent him from recruiting players using NIL in any manner other that it was originally intended. Gotta love these two. Saban basically calls out Jimbo/A&M for buying recruits, and Jimbo fires a warning shot across the bow by saying that Saban shouldn’t be throwing stones when they were both part of cheating when they were on the same staff. Saban doubles down on statements while trying to outdo Jimbo by tampering with potential transfers and finding his own innovative ways to misuse the intent of NIL.



Next level chess by Jimbo and Saban
Posted by bgtiger
SOLA
Member since Dec 2004
12108 posts
Posted on 5/3/22 at 9:59 am to
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Imagine being an adult throwing 100k at these pieces of entitled shite


I can't imagine being a big fan of Boutte going forward.
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
4404 posts
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:01 am to
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LSU better have its shite together going forward.

The McKernon safety net isn't always going to be there, nor will Gordon alone allow us to compete with A&M and Alabama when it comes to NIL.

Where LSU finishes with the 2023 class will be telling.


Louisiana has some high rollers, but we cant compete with the volume from Texas, Florida, and California.

Idk how Alabama is doing it, they arent much of a rich state.
Posted by sheek
Lake Chuck
Member since Sep 2007
44150 posts
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:27 am to
I am hoping the free market will catch up with NIL and apply a sustainable baseline and ceiling. That hasn’t taken place just yet.
Posted by sheek
Lake Chuck
Member since Sep 2007
44150 posts
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:31 am to
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Idk how Alabama is doing it, they arent much of a rich state.


per donor donation is pretty big. Bama fans are like Pentecostals donating to their church
Posted by Island_Tiger73
DA BAYOU
Member since Aug 2016
1001 posts
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:37 am to
How much money will it take for A&M to keep 5 stars on the bench? Can't play all of them all the time. IMO after sitting for, let's say, 1MM a year some kids will leave to go play somewhere else for 500K a year or so
Posted by rob62
Member since Sep 2016
5165 posts
Posted on 5/3/22 at 11:01 am to
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per donor donation is pretty big. Bama fans are like Pentecostals donating to their church


Bama just lost the #1 RB from last year to the Portal. These kids are going to move as they want as long as the rules allow it. Money will not keep them anywhere. Recruiting is now day to day.
Posted by AngelBaby
Heaven
Member since Nov 2007
278 posts
Posted on 5/3/22 at 11:53 am to
Let me remind you, these 18 year olds are compensated at about $100k per year with housing, food, and EDUCATION, not to mention free medical care. That is plenty of compensation. Additional should come from NCAA for exposure
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
108717 posts
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:11 pm to
That has absolutely nothing to do with what we were discussing.
Posted by Sissidog02
Member since Jan 2020
7408 posts
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:16 pm to
Any amount of money for a lot of these players and FAMILY, is way more than they’ve ever seen, so at 17, 18 yrs old kids don’t think about coaches, fans, tradition or team. You cannot blame these kids. People with money and wealth don’t talk about money, people without it well it enters EVERY conversation.
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
12841 posts
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:20 pm to
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I question how sustainable this NIL stuff is. Agree. Realistically,its an expense with little to nothing in return.


Do people really think this has anything to do with getting a return on investment? This is only rich guys trying to buy the best players now, just read the original post. Somebody tried to poach our best player so Gordon paid up to keep him.

This is going to go the way of horse racing- A handful of rich guys will make a hobby of trying to outdo each other and most other people will lose interest in the sport. It’s ruined already, some people just haven’t realized it yet.
Posted by rob62
Member since Sep 2016
5165 posts
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:29 pm to
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Yes, some of it is on the players. Key players will renegotiate every year or walk.

You can't build programs around that and it destroys locker rooms.


Agree 100%
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
10609 posts
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:30 pm to
I remember originally thinking NIL was mostly going to be about the individual’s earning potential independent of college.

Wasn’t the Supreme Court decision less broad than what has been happening?

When NCAA left it up to schools & conferences about licensing of school owned property, did not reform the transfer portal, and decided various state laws made it to difficult to even try and mend together a minimum standard outside of schools themselves can’t be “directly” involved this went to crap.

Yet communicating to collectives who they want along with an order of importance and pushing athletes towards collective’s website, and get paid money tied through various manners to signing & playing at a specific school are seemingly ok.
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
12251 posts
Posted on 5/3/22 at 12:55 pm to
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I question how sustainable this NIL stuff is.



IMO The fix for all of this is the following 3 rule changes:

1) NIL deals have to come from legitimate businesses that actually sell a product or service. No more shell LLCs paying kids.

2) An actual service must be provided for the money. Whether that be an autograph session at the donors place of business or just the use of the athletes picture in ads. Some form of action needs to take place to make it a legit NIL deal.

3) The transfer portal should only be open for short periods during the year. For example, the portal would be open for 2 weeks following the NC, the first two weeks of May after Spring football is over, and maybe a week or 2 in August for last minute transfers. The rest of the year the portal is closed. This would curb the ability of one team to just poach a player from another team at any time like USC did to Pitt for the WR.

I understand wanting to put a cap on either teams or individuals but I don't see how you do that within the college football structure since the schools themselves aren't paying players based on profits.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
29315 posts
Posted on 5/3/22 at 1:09 pm to
You have to eliminate the one time transfer rule. They can either stay at their school or quit college football early. I'd rather them not play anywhere than Bama or TAMU or the like get a mercenary for a year.
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
12251 posts
Posted on 5/3/22 at 1:48 pm to
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I'd rather them not play anywhere than Bama or TAMU or the like get a mercenary for a year.


You do realize that LSU is "or the like" right?
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
29315 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 2:38 pm to
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You do realize that LSU is "or the like" right?
Not in the slightest. Look at our transfers and look at others. LSU doesn't have one guy that was some crazy one and done transfer pick.

Bama has Eli Ricks, tried to get Boutte, got the GT RB, got the #1 WR from UGA. USC got the starting RB from Oregon who had nearly 1300 yards and 16 TDs last year as a junior.

One year assasins. LSU doesn't have that, we have experienced kids who don't have high draft stock at all. Plus I'd like to believe that LSU, Kelly, isn't trying to pull potential first round players from his enemy. It's like LSU paying Will Anderson 2 mill to come to LSU for a year.
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
12251 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 3:38 pm to
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LSU doesn't have one guy that was some crazy one and done transfer pick.


Tapp, Daniels, Bernard-Converse, Banks, and Noah Cain are all one and done transfers...
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