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re: Root Cause Investigation - O Line

Posted on 12/18/24 at 6:08 pm to
Posted by Mandtgr47
Member since Aug 2024
7918 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 6:08 pm to
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except when Nuss would start running backwards when pressure arrived


I always like this statement. It is idiots who hear others say this, and are just repeating it. Yes, he ran back sometimes....you know why, when our LG got hurt, we had a jail break up the middle against our rookie LG and our Center....wth is he supposed to do when he catches the ball from the Center, and he has 230 pound guys coming at him untouched in a matter of 1 second?

I saw a couple good responses in this thread...Alt and another...who nailed it. When we lost our LG and with our weak Center play, it causes MAJOR problems for us throwing the ball.

Hell, I read sometimes where Nuss wouldn't step up. LOL. Really? Step up into the jail break? LOL
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
29584 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 6:19 pm to
Yeah, a first time starter at center. If you wanna frick up an offensive line lose your center. You had a first time freshman starter had left guard for some critical games i.e. the ones that you lost. And one of those games you had a first time Freshman starter at right guard. You start three first time players and you’re gonna get your shite pushed in like they did against UF. And you had a first time start at quarterback. It’s a combination of factors.
No forensic analysis needed.
Posted by Tiger_Man
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
207 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:00 pm to
They lost some ground after Dellinger went down
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
29584 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:02 pm to
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They lost some ground after Dellinger went down

Ya think? How about when BOTH him and Frazier were out for UF? Dumb frick on SEC network was “analyzing” how poorly the Oline played against UF. frick that dude too
Posted by PigDog33
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2021
918 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:34 pm to
quote:

In business or industry, when something does not go as planned, we do a root cause investigation.


Go through the “5 whys” for us on the o line sucking
Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
9891 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 7:47 pm to
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In business or industry, when something does not go as planned, we do a root cause investigation.


Management is usually exempt from being the issue. Teams are usually persuaded to find a non human factor for failure.
Posted by creoletiger1224
Member since Dec 2024
247 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 8:07 pm to
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Are experts (Pro O-line coaches, for example) brought in to critique coaching, techniques, scheme, etc??? What other deep dives would be done, and who would lead these? Please tell me something.

I don't think your $100M HC and AD would want that.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78156 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 8:12 pm to
I guarantee you that the coaches can watch tape and see what’s wrong with our running game.

It’s generally guys missing blocks and RBs not named Durham
missing holes to run through.
Posted by QB
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2013
7615 posts
Posted on 12/18/24 at 8:18 pm to
I don't buy for a second that our coaches lamented Nuss not keeping the ball on the option.
I believe completely that because LSU had no backup QB that could win anything, Nuss was instructed not to run, unless he had an open field in front of him and could run for a first down. He actually did that toward the end of the season a couple of times. Next year, I am pretty sure whoever our QB is, will be running more of the option reads and scrambling more. We are not dead in the water if Nuss is forced out of the game for a while or even the season from being hurt on the field. LSU offense will be better because of that.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
48760 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 3:01 am to
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No experts or expensive consultants needed. It's not rocket science. It's football.


This is why I think it is time to move on from Brad Davis.
I have seen nothing in his years here that he is anywhere close to the OL guru that ppl claim he is. Never has his lines over achieved or surprised us in a positive way.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
13086 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:08 am to
OL is heavily affected by playcalling. When your OC sucks and can’t call plays and be creative, you will get smashed.

The OL had its issues, but running game issues had more to do with how bad Sloan is at mixing up play calls, adjusting to what the defense gives him and simply not sucking.

In the end, as long as Sloan is calling the plays, the running game will be mediocre no matter the talent back there.
Posted by The Real Keyser Soze
Downtown BR
Member since Jun 2009
1099 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:52 am to
quote:

wth is he supposed to do


He has options that can be coached:
1) throw the ball away;
2) roll away from pressure, throw ball out of bounds
3) if you can't escape just go down, take small loss, don't get hit/injured

Point being, he has options when pressured up the middle, running backwards should not be one of them as it has never produced a positive play.
Posted by JEPjr
Houston
Member since May 2016
7 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 8:32 am to
Quality control analysts!
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
11405 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 8:44 am to
So funny how many people do not know the difference between dominant and dominate. Geezus. Ignorant and lazy.
Posted by QB
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2013
7615 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 12:04 pm to
Well said. When Dellinger went out and Mubenga entered next to our center, that exposed a serious gap in our Oline and every team saw it and exploited it. Chester has to move to guard to get 65 out of the lineup, meaning getting a seasoned, strong center is more important that any other portal pickup we make imo. Our oline is only as strong at our weakest ink, and we had two last year after Dellinger went down. I don't know how many we will have this coming year. I know I would feel better with another oline coach, and I still would like Mawae on the staff assisting in teaching fundamentals and toughness to our OLine.
Posted by EatsleepdrinkLSU
Member since Dec 2024
21 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 2:04 pm to
The OL was decent, but I just don't understand why we can't have one of those mauling OLs that teams fear. With the exception of the last two years, Alabama's OL used to blow massive holes, and even if the opposing team knew what was coming, it didn't matter. I'm tired of hearing about all these players with 4/5 stars, but they play like a two-star when they get on campus!
Posted by Tigerfan1274
Member since May 2019
4440 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 4:44 pm to
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2) roll away from pressure, throw ball out of bounds


When Dellinger got injured and the IOL struggled , I thought they should have called more of those little half roll outs from time to time. Nuss seemed comfortable when running those. Didn’t happen though.
Posted by white beans
Member since Sep 2009
6523 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 4:49 pm to
Sloan told Davis to spend 95% of practice on pass pro since he planned on throwing the ball a thousand times.

It held up until Dellinger goat hurt.

Too bad for the ground game.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20063 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:52 pm to
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The OL had its issues, but running game issues had more to do with how bad Sloan is at mixing up play calls, adjusting to what the defense gives him and simply not sucking.


A poster named jiminycricket (sp) did a detailed breakdown of a play vs Aggie. We had the #s and Chester only had to make an easy seal block, and Durham is off to the races. It was a perfect play call. But Chester whiffed and the play collapsed. It's hard for me to pin that on play-calling.

IDK how much of our woes across the season were on play calling. I do know it seemed we struggled in the RZ all season long.

Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12595 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 8:41 pm to
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It didn’t matter who the back was, we haven’t been able to run the middle in ages & certainly not this year.

Durham does not have a vision problem, yet only successful runs all looked like some sort of stretch play.

Eh I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Yes, most (if not all) of Durham’s explosive runs were on outside zone calls. But that doesn’t mean that they were his only successful runs. He also fought injury for a significant chunk of the season.

I would say there were a lot of different issues plaguing the rushing game, and that lack of vision/patience (particularly from Jackson) was one of them.

I also think Sloan tried too hard to force the power running game. I’m not a fan of running zone exclusively, but we struggled to get pullers across cleanly on counter/power calls all year. Either because the lead guy was hesitant, someone on the IOL got pushed back into the lane of the pullers, the RB didn’t let the blocks develop, or some combination of all three.
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