re: Remember the awesome LSU Saban years ? Ahhh The Salad Days of Yore...

Wouldn't dinardo have a harder time recruiting since before he came it was realllllly bad

Fierce Strawman Your Strawman is fierce.

You are asking me to argue a position I have never taken.
That's dishonest.
Plus you are agitated like a little girl at a Bieber concert.
HERE is what I said:

quote:

---

The point is NOT that Saban sucked at LSU.
The point is not that Nick Saban is not the best coach in the business. That's up to you to decide.
But let's be factual people. Let's respect history.
He lost less than three games in a season exactly ONCE.
And the Tiger Rant melted down then too.
You should have been here after the Iowa game or when Xavier Whatsiname kneeled down on the Georgia one.
Saban's losses were by FAR greater margin.
And he lost to inferior opponents.
And he had more inexplicable last minute meltdowns in critical games.
Saban at Alabama is a different animal than Saban at LSU.
I am glad that we have higher expectations for Les than we did for Nick.

---

Argue that.

Saban had talent to compete, but not the talent to win anything of note.

I don't know the point of this thread if its not to compare the 2.

So Saban had some bad games at LSU? Ok? He's proven what he can do once he's established. You give him the benefit of the doubt. He's deserved it. Miles Hasn't earned that. He could have last year had he not bombed in the title game.

I think it was pointing out that many forget the gripe s that he had. Tend to look back and never remember anything bandana all his decisions were great.atleast what I took from it.

I think sabans turn around at lsu was booty going down and being forced to play rohan. He was sinking with booty

quote:

---

You are asking me to argue a position I have never taken.

---

So you've never argued that the 2000 program is equivalent to the 2005 program or that the two had similar talent? Excellent. Then I take it you agree that LSU's program was in a far bettter position in 2005 than 2000.

Now, with THAT as context, we can see that your entire litany of historical "observations" about Saban are inapposite. Why? Because they fail to take account of the fact that Saban was BUILDING a program. And he was fantastically good at it. And despite having to BUILD a program, he still won as many SEC titles and NC's in five years as Miles has won in 8.

Of course our expectations are higher now, because we are an established powerhouse and have been since 2003, not an fledging program struggling to rise from the mire of a half century's irrelevance.

So I don't dipsute the granular accuracy of the observations you make. I merely say they have no meaning. Saban did a better job than Miles would have done in 2000-2004 and had he stayed, he would have done a better job between 2005 and the present, as evidenced by his success in the same division of the same conference at Bama.

Bradie James was a 5 star man

Lets ignore Les from 05-07 since these are "Saban's players"

'08: RP leaving and JL's first season. 8-5
'09: Losses to Bama and UF, but JJ's first year and time management. 9-4
'10: Not a good looking win among, but still got wins. 11-2
'11: Get rid of the one Bama game, and we're perfect. Get rid of the other and we're flawless on paper (Visually not appealing during the first half) 13-1
'12: Bad losses and bad wins against not great teams. 10-2, probably 11-2 by the end.

That isn't too bad.

This thread proves that Miles is a better football coach than Saban.

quote:

---

Bottom line is Saban did have talent when he showed up here.

---

Agreed. The cupboard was far from bare when Saban came to LSU. I'm just wondering how TT came to the conclusion that Dinardo was a better recruiter than Miles. It's illogical.