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re: Random statistics for LSU baseball to-date

Posted on 5/17/18 at 8:02 am to
Posted by TigerDM
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 5/17/18 at 8:02 am to
2011 was a long summer because baseball ended so early by not making SEC tournament or a regional
Posted by TigerCub
Team Boxtard
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Posted on 5/17/18 at 8:12 am to
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Will people still want O’Sullivan if he chokes in Omaha and doesn’t win a title with all of this talent?


Sure they wanted him before when we didn't win with teams much better than last years team. Two of the Rant's other favorite coaches (TCU and Virginia) probably won't even make a regional.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:10 am to
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and their slugging % is down.
Please explain that statement.

LSU's slugging % last season was .434.

The current team's slugging % is .438 and is tied for 6th out of the 14 SEC teams.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:30 am to
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a big part of why we arent as good of a hitting team as last year.


Our batting average is better than last year's team's batting average, .289 for 2017 vs. .293 this season.

Our slugging % is better this year, .434 last season vs. .438 this season.

Our on-base % is down slightly, .384 last year vs. .377 this season.

Here are some individual stats from last season compared to this season for players who were starters both years:

Beau Jordan
2017: .268
2018: .311

Zach Watson
2017: .317
2018: .315

Antoine Duplantis
2017: .316
2018: .340

Jake Slaughter
2017: .257
2018: .255

The difference between last season and this season is NOT hitting. It's pitching.
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:42 am to
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LSU's slugging % last season was .434.

is that the average for the top 9? Those that are getting the abs.
The top 9 everyday players last year was .450 and this year is .439.



Posted by OvertheDwayneBowe
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:45 am to
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Will people still want O’Sullivan if he chokes in Omaha and doesn’t win a title with all of this talent?


People also seem to forget that his 2014 was the #2 overall national seed and went 0-2 in their own regional.
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:46 am to
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My point was you came into the thread saying the stats I posted from the SEC website are inadequate and I should post other stats that you

And I used LSU Sports website with a link. I wasn’t necessarily responding to you as much as I was responding to the OP that said BA is the measure to compare last year and this year and how it is pitching that is down.

I posted that it was t just pitching.
Defense, hitting and pitching are all down which is why they are average. And that INJURIES was a key factor.

I firmly believed at the beginning of this year that this team is better than last if they could get the key people back and the maturation of those freshmen. It was a good mix of sophomores and seniors and super talented freshmen.

I still believe that.
Posted by Adam4848
LA
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:48 am to
To be fair a bit of the stats in black in white are skewed.

LSU's crushing SEC competition at home, doing at or around what they did a season ago and it's showing 11-4 in the SEC.

But on the road the offense has not been giving starting pitching or the bullpen any relief.

2
0
2
1
0
4
3

Those are the runs scored in 7 of LSU's 9 SEC road loses this year.

You replace all three starters and they're expected to match or exceed this on the ROAD?

I don't care what starting pitching does this weekend, the bats decide the series against Auburn.
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 9:50 am
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 5/17/18 at 9:53 am to
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People also seem to forget that his 2014 was the #2 overall national seed and went 0-2 in their own regional.


Just last year if the Bethune Cookman OF doesn’t choke on a flyball Fla. doesn’t make it out of their regional.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
131266 posts
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:13 am to
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is that the average for the top 9?
2018 baseball stats

2017 baseball stats

quote:

The top 9 everyday players last year was .450 and this year is .439.

Nope.

The top 9 hitters in most number of at bats last year had a slugging % of .448 (925 total bases in 2066 at bats).

The top 9 this year have a slugging % of .447 (659 total bases in 1474 at bats), which is not a significant difference.

If you include the 10th player with the next highest number of at bats each season (Nick Coomes last season and Bryce Jordan this season), the slugging % is .445 for both seasons, 978 total bases in 2198 at bats for 2017 and 691 total bases for 1552 at bats for this season.

Where are you getting your numbers from?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
131266 posts
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:21 am to
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I was responding to the OP that said BA is the measure to compare last year
So you believe OPS tells the real story about this year's struggles?

2017
Team OPS = .818

2018
Team OPS = .815

The problem this season is not hitting, it's pitching.

Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
28353 posts
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:33 pm to
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Team OPS = .818

I said using OBP and OPB. Additionally, can you give me just the top 9 OPS, OPB, contribution on baserunning, walks and hits with RISP, for the everyday starters? Because averaging in Smith’s 1000 ops is meaningless.
You also can’t use OPS alone. It is only 1 metric and can’t really give a players overall contribution.

Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:43 pm to
Last season we averaged 6.69 runs per game; this year's average to date is 6.15. That's just over a half run less per game(.54).

Our opponent's scored 3.90 runs per game, but this year they scored 4.68 runs per game. That's about 3/4s of a run (.78) more runs allowed.

Overall the bigger issue has been runs allowed versus runs scored.

Are these unusual swings?

Are the SEC numbers better or worse? I don't know because they aren't readily available like they use to be.

Is it a bad road v home swing as some intimate? It may be. We have really struggled on the road both in and out of conference.

Fwiw, in 72 games we gave up 26 unearned runs last year, but to date we've only allowed 16 unearned runs. But That wouldn't account for the numerous wild pitches that Pap blocked successfully compared to how our catchers have done this season. Surely poor catching has cost us maybe 10 runs this year.

ETA Make that about 11.


This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 6:30 pm
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
131266 posts
Posted on 5/17/18 at 3:20 pm to
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I said using OBP and OPB.
What you said in your first reply to me in this thread was, "OPS and OPB are better measures of hitting than BA." So I gave you the team's OPS for this year and last year. I have no idea what "OPB" is. Neither does Google.

quote:

can you give me just the top 9 OPS, OPB, contribution on baserunning, walks and hits with RISP, for the everyday starters
If you want other stats do it yourself rather than expecting others to do it for you.

Are you a Democrat?
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 3:31 pm
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
28353 posts
Posted on 5/17/18 at 7:06 pm to
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So I gave you the team's OPS for this year and last year. I have no idea what "OPB" is. Neither does Google.

OPB was a typo a-hole and you of all people know it.

As far as OPS, you didn’t want to do it because the results will reveal the truth for the everyday starters. Contribution in baserunning, etc are important measures as well.

In all categories, the hitting is way down from last year and those that use only BA have no idea about baseball.
That’s the same kind of people that think sabermetrics don’t work.
Take Alex Bregman, he walks a lot and is hitting only 250ish off the top of my head, yet he is in the lead or nearly leading his team in OBP.
So he was moved up in the line up to the 2 hole.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
40313 posts
Posted on 5/17/18 at 7:37 pm to
That's why I keep talking about runs scored and not batting averages of OBP.

The bottom line is runs scored.

You can get two hits and even three hits in an inning and not score, but your batting average will be very good.

If you hit a homer and strike out three times your average sucks but you have a run. You can walk, steal second, move to third on a grounder and score on another grounder and strikeout and again the average sucks.

It's about scoring runs and having differents ways to score instead of having to get three hits an inning to do it.
Posted by TB69
Member since Oct 2008
328 posts
Posted on 5/17/18 at 7:40 pm to
Well you lost smith and have hughes who's batting 240 ish. Slaughter is hitting 250,Broussard has not been the same since he broke his thumb. Watson's average is up there but he has struggled of late. He hit 5 HR in the post season last year and has 5 this year. Pitching has been a nightmare of lack of recruiting and injuries. Storz, Walker, Labas has not really been 100%. Gilbert pitched so well in Omaha and has been a train wreck this year. Thank god for Hilliard or where would we be? Hess is just not a starter but what else do you have? Very frustrating year.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
131266 posts
Posted on 5/17/18 at 7:44 pm to
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OPB was a typo a-hole and you of all people know it.
Well, a-hole, you typed it the same way multiple times. Usually a typo is just made once.

You're making up numbers and stats in this thread. Those OPS numbers you posted are totally bogus. You won't even tell us where you got them. I suspect you just made them up.

quote:

you didn’t want to do it because the results will reveal the truth
No, I'm not going to do it because you're the one who wants the information, not me. But I'm starting to think you're either too lazy or too dumb to do the math. Which is it?
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