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re: Possible theories for Harris not playing against Arkansas...
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:31 am to Starchild
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:31 am to Starchild
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I think this is partially it, but it's an unjustified reason to play Jennings imo. We win in spite of him, not because of him.
Same could be said of Les.
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:31 am to bencoleman
quote:u know who else isn't impressing anyone?
Right now he is not impressing someone.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:39 am to The Egg
Why don't you tell me
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:40 am to higgins
Somehow, if it works out that the third time is the charm and Miles does finally return to Michigan, I believe the fan reaction will be much more positive to that than the first two times it looked like this could happen.
If Miles is indeed more interested in being stubborn and in being able to say, "I told you so," to some of the fan base than he is interested in winning games, LSU has a bad situation.
If Miles is indeed more interested in being stubborn and in being able to say, "I told you so," to some of the fan base than he is interested in winning games, LSU has a bad situation.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:43 am to Chicken
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1. If Harris plays against Arkansas and performs poorly, then what hope would the team have for the immediate future? Miles knew that Harris struggled mightily against Auburn and another poor effort by the true freshman would mean that the QB situation is a complete disaster (more so than it already is). The dysfunctional nature of the LSU QB position under Miles is well-documented and Miles is trying to insulate himself from that as much as possible. By not playing Harris, the jury would still be out on Harris. Miles is essentially protecting Harris and covering his own butt at the same time.
this BUT you have one missing piece:
Harris held out against Arky but he is tapped to start at TAMU (with no announcement, just a change in reps in practice) and has a full bye week and a partial game week to prep for the TAMU game as the starter.
then if he plays well the story is "we had an extra week to prepare him". if he plays poorly it is "even with an extra week to prepare he still cant get right"
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:44 am to supatigah
you see him getting playing time at a&m? I don't
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:46 am to Chicken
5. Miles has been around Jennings longer. He is an upbeat kid who does everything right (except perform well in the game) and he wants to see him succeed.
6. He also knows that most of the fan base thinks that the obvious choice is to play Harris. Miles wants it to be his decision and doesn't want it to appear that he's caving to fan pressure. If he gives Harris any PT (not starting him, but bringing him off the bench when AJ struggles) and Harris shines again, he'll look wrong for not giving him more opportunities.
I truly believe that both of these reasons are why we aren't seeing Harris. Miles doesn't want Jennings to fail because he's a good kid, and Miles also knows if Harris plays, he'll play well. This late in the season, it doesn't matter. Miles wants it to be his decision, which will come in the offseason if he even considers making a change.
6. He also knows that most of the fan base thinks that the obvious choice is to play Harris. Miles wants it to be his decision and doesn't want it to appear that he's caving to fan pressure. If he gives Harris any PT (not starting him, but bringing him off the bench when AJ struggles) and Harris shines again, he'll look wrong for not giving him more opportunities.
I truly believe that both of these reasons are why we aren't seeing Harris. Miles doesn't want Jennings to fail because he's a good kid, and Miles also knows if Harris plays, he'll play well. This late in the season, it doesn't matter. Miles wants it to be his decision, which will come in the offseason if he even considers making a change.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:47 am to The Egg
#4 with perhaps a bit of #3. Les is conservative by nature. He values no TOs at the expense of a more expansive offensive philosophy. He is OK with predictable, even if it means we win ugly. He stubbornly demands and expects we will out physical the opposing team and win in the 4Q in tight ball games. And if we are already winning going into the 4Q, then this philosophy further intensifies into a "protect with Run,run,run for victory" mindset.
So with that conservative philosophy, he mostly values a QB who can predictably execute it. So regardless of QB, they seemed "handcuffed" by it. We become awfully predictable. And the QB becomes almost "robotic" with a fear of any type of improvisation to avoid the negative consequences from Miles. Miles is convinced Jennings plays that role best.
That brings us to #3. The attempt at improvisation, lack of executing the game plan by Harris at Auburn and perhaps some of is "sighed" frustrated Tweetering early in the season put him not in a good place with Miles.
So with that conservative philosophy, he mostly values a QB who can predictably execute it. So regardless of QB, they seemed "handcuffed" by it. We become awfully predictable. And the QB becomes almost "robotic" with a fear of any type of improvisation to avoid the negative consequences from Miles. Miles is convinced Jennings plays that role best.
That brings us to #3. The attempt at improvisation, lack of executing the game plan by Harris at Auburn and perhaps some of is "sighed" frustrated Tweetering early in the season put him not in a good place with Miles.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:47 am to Chicken
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3. Harris is in the dog house. This is a logical reason, but there is no basis for it and I have not seen anything to substantiate it.
This might be it. Someone said on here recently that they spoke to an O-lineman and he said that, although Harris is incredibly talented, he doesn't put in the work that AJ does. This would make sense to me. Miles is the kind of guy who wants to set an example that hard work is more important to the team than pure talent. Who knows, though.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:47 am to monsterballads
LSU is losing in this.... that is all
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:48 am to rjokerlsu
I'm still pissed about his leveraging in 2012, after a "meh" 9-3. I know, "that's capitalism". Still, he did not deserve such a golden parachute. You lock up a guy for that long and they can sit idly by and be complacent without fear of retribution. He knows he can do what he wants and we cannot force his hand. We're stuck.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:49 am to sjmabry
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I think it's a combination of 3 and 4.
This
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:50 am to higgins
Harris was the only one who knew how to work the hot chocolate machine so we couldn't risk injury or downtime from it functioning 100% at all times
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:50 am to PortCityTiger24
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6. He also knows that most of the fan base thinks that the obvious choice is to play Harris. Miles wants it to be his decision and doesn't want it to appear that he's caving to fan pressure. If he gives Harris any PT (not starting him, but bringing him off the bench when AJ struggles) and Harris shines again, he'll look wrong for not giving him more opportunities.
That's called letting your ego get in the way of properly doing your job. Not a good recipe for success.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:51 am to bencoleman
quote:What they are putting on field right now is not impressing anyone either. Hard to imagine Harris is worse than Jennings, even though Harris has better stats.
all he has to do is show the coaches that he is putting in the work to take it. Right now he is not impressing someone.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:51 am to higgins
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I'm still pissed about his leveraging in 2012, after a "meh" 9-3. I know, "that's capitalism".
That one is all on Alleva/TAF. They could've called his bluff. Instead, they caved.
This post was edited on 11/17/14 at 11:53 am
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:56 am to PortCityTiger24
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5. Miles has been around Jennings longer. He is an upbeat kid who does everything right (except perform well in the game) and he wants to see him succeed.
6. He also knows that most of the fan base thinks that the obvious choice is to play Harris. Miles wants it to be his decision and doesn't want it to appear that he's caving to fan pressure. If he gives Harris any PT (not starting him, but bringing him off the bench when AJ struggles) and Harris shines again, he'll look wrong for not giving him more opportunities.
5 = 4
6 = 2
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:56 am to Chicken
maybe b/c the ol would have gotten harris killed?
maybe aj was more expendable?
maybe aj was more expendable?
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:57 am to Chicken
5. Jennings arguably puts more work in.
As Jennings has continued to struggle, there's been an increase in the amount of scuttlebutt that Jennings puts in more hours of work than Harris (film room, throwing to receivers outside of practice, etc.). If true to any extent, it doesn't mean Harris doesn't put any extra work in, as some have tried to stretch this rumor. But if there is some truth to this and the coaches give Jennings more of a chance because of this, then #5 (Jennings works more) might be considered a combination of #4 (Miles has more faith in Jennings) and #3 (Harris is in the dohouse... while the doghouse is usually considered an active punishment for something done badly, in this case, it might be a passive form of punishment for not doing enough: reward the player who works extra while ignoring the player who doesn't.\
6. There might actually be some situations where they intend to insert Harris, but they haven't materialized.
Based on some of the offensive tendencies, this isn't unreasonable. Certain players are brought in to run certain packages... and as Les said after the game, LF got as few runs as he did because of the way Arkansas was neutralizing the plays LF is best suited to run. (I know... they were neutralizing pretty much every other type play as well.) Regardless, this comment does show a desire to use certain players in certain situations.
If there is merit in this, then the question becomes: what sort of situations is Miles looking for in order to actually put Harris on the field? (aside from being up by 20+ points with less than 5 minutes in the game)
My own take on what could have/should have been done: Harris should have been brought in for at least two or 3 plays at least every other series, if only to hand off. Or at least in the same fashion that other teams switch from standard offense to wildcat.
And if Harris struggles with complexities of the playbook, make him run about 10 or 20 plays in practice till he masters them, then draw only from those plays when you insert him. In fact, script his plays for him. Several teams run scripted plays at times, often at the beginning of games. If I remember correctly, when Jimbo Fisher was OC here, he scripted the first series, then made adjustments. So, do the same with Harris-- script him a few plays in each game. He could have gotten some meaningful experience this way without having to overthink things.
As Jennings has continued to struggle, there's been an increase in the amount of scuttlebutt that Jennings puts in more hours of work than Harris (film room, throwing to receivers outside of practice, etc.). If true to any extent, it doesn't mean Harris doesn't put any extra work in, as some have tried to stretch this rumor. But if there is some truth to this and the coaches give Jennings more of a chance because of this, then #5 (Jennings works more) might be considered a combination of #4 (Miles has more faith in Jennings) and #3 (Harris is in the dohouse... while the doghouse is usually considered an active punishment for something done badly, in this case, it might be a passive form of punishment for not doing enough: reward the player who works extra while ignoring the player who doesn't.\
6. There might actually be some situations where they intend to insert Harris, but they haven't materialized.
Based on some of the offensive tendencies, this isn't unreasonable. Certain players are brought in to run certain packages... and as Les said after the game, LF got as few runs as he did because of the way Arkansas was neutralizing the plays LF is best suited to run. (I know... they were neutralizing pretty much every other type play as well.) Regardless, this comment does show a desire to use certain players in certain situations.
If there is merit in this, then the question becomes: what sort of situations is Miles looking for in order to actually put Harris on the field? (aside from being up by 20+ points with less than 5 minutes in the game)
My own take on what could have/should have been done: Harris should have been brought in for at least two or 3 plays at least every other series, if only to hand off. Or at least in the same fashion that other teams switch from standard offense to wildcat.
And if Harris struggles with complexities of the playbook, make him run about 10 or 20 plays in practice till he masters them, then draw only from those plays when you insert him. In fact, script his plays for him. Several teams run scripted plays at times, often at the beginning of games. If I remember correctly, when Jimbo Fisher was OC here, he scripted the first series, then made adjustments. So, do the same with Harris-- script him a few plays in each game. He could have gotten some meaningful experience this way without having to overthink things.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:58 am to Chicken
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