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re: Possible theories for Harris not playing against Arkansas...

Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:19 am to
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:19 am to
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I think this is a HUGE part of it. It seems to me that Harris will improvise and call the audible at the line of scrimmage. Les does not like this.
so big les no likey da willie beamon style
Posted by SCwTiger
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:20 am to
Really don't have a clue as to CLM's thinking. Maybe Miles really believes that Jennings will improve, and likes him because of all the extra work he puts in to study the game (#4), but maybe it's because he is just too damn scared to let him Harris go win because #2 would happen.

After watching Miles' actions over the last few years, I think he's just too damn stubborn to let someone think they know more than him about what to do, and is determined to show LSU that he is going to do what HE wants to do - LSU be damned.
Posted by Patch
Westlake, TX
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:20 am to
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Jennings is allowed to be inept with no repercussions.
this
Posted by MFV
Member since Oct 2008
911 posts
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:20 am to
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Miles' gameplans might also call for a conservative, game manager QB versus a gunslinger like Harris.


This is the case in my opinion. Miles feels his best chance for victory is to go with the qb who is least likeyly to make mistakes. I don't agree with this strategy but Miles has won a lot of games using it. We beat Ole Miss using it and almost beat bama. With that being said what we saw Saturday was once again Miles putting his pride and "want" to be right over the best interest of the team. Thats inexcusable in my opinion.
Posted by ironsides
Nashville, TN
Member since May 2006
8154 posts
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:20 am to
Your last sentence of #4:
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Miles' gameplans might also call for a conservative, game manager QB versus a gunslinger like Harris.


Is not mutually exclusive with #3. Look, New Mexico state isn't Arkansas. With an additional interception or fumble in that game, then you are looking at 24-0 instead of 17-0.

Personally: Both JJ and Jarrett Lee were ruined by playing early. I think it's pretty clear that Harris has longer term value to the program, but we lack experience at anything other than O line in the offense. It's not like he's got upperclassmen WRs to throw to.

That said - probably should have started him the 3rd quarter or 2nd series in the 3rd quarter. I know the game is tight at 10-0 but the current horses weren't leaving the stable.....

Looking forward to seeing Harris against A&M.....
Posted by BBATiger
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:21 am to
4 1 2 3
Not a WYHI.
Posted by Patch
Westlake, TX
Member since Jan 2010
2660 posts
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:21 am to
Game manager style. He can make one type of throw but if you ask him to do anything else, he'll fold
Posted by Geaux8686
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:23 am to
I think No. 3 is the answer. He probably won't see the field this year.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
33943 posts
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:24 am to
JMO - Harris is probably a little more prone to going "off script" than Jennings. We saw multiple occasions against AU where Harris left the pocket when there was no pressure and tried to create a play. Good or bad, I don't think that's what Miles' and co. want to happen. It could lead to a big play, but could also lead to a big TO. NOTHING scares Miles more than turnovers. It is abundantly clear that he is willing to forego an effective offense in order to minimize the potential risk of a TO.

Although it didn't seem that way, the game was still relatively close at 10-0. Miles' thinking (as IMO it was on 1/9/12) was likely that if our defense/ST can make a huge play we could get a short field for our offense and/or "steal" some points. Justifiably or not, I don't think he wanted to risk Harris turning the ball over at that stage thus keeping the opportunity alive for the defense or ST to get LSU to a one score deficit. I'm not saying that was the right decision, just my thought as to why Harris didn't play
Posted by NorthshoreTiger76
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Member since May 2009
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:24 am to
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Looking forward to seeing Harris against A&M.....



playing??
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14910 posts
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:26 am to
I think it's #4. 1 & 2 don't add up because Miles believes he is immune to criticism. Also, #2 doesn't necessarily mean that Miles made the wrong call. It could be that Harris is a better QB now than he was at the beginning of the season, just like Beckwith is better now. As you say, no evidence for #3 so that leaves #4.
Posted by dante
Kingwood, TX
Member since Mar 2006
10669 posts
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:27 am to
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Miles feels his best chance for victory is to go with the qb who is least likeyly to make mistakes. I don't agree with this strategy but Miles has won a lot of games using it
ONLY when the defense plays a superior game. Granted, LSU was beating Bama with 50 seconds to go in the game. Our qb was 8-22 at that point. What would the score have been if the qb had been 14-22?
Posted by Starchild
Member since May 2010
13550 posts
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:27 am to
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4. Miles truly believes that Jennings was his best chance to win games. Look at it this way, Jennings was QB during LSU's three game win streak and its near win against Alabama. Jennings led the team to the win over Wisconsin, and did enough in relief at the end of last season. Miles' gameplans might also call for a conservative, game manager QB versus a gunslinger like Harris.



I think this is partially it, but it's an unjustified reason to play Jennings imo. We win in spite of him, not because of him. He's had turnovers and some crucial times and has not had a single game all year that I'd describe as anything more than average.
I think Harris starting all year would have seen similar results though likely better passing numbers. But we'd also be set up better for the next few years.
Posted by LSUCouyon
ONTHELAKEATDELHI, La.
Member since Oct 2006
11338 posts
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:27 am to
I'm not sure the reason for not playing Harris when AJ was showing an inability to throw accurately. I would guess #4.
What concerns me now that we are looking at the last game of the year is that Harris has had almost no playing time. I know he started against Auburn, but that performance was so bad, I don't blame CLM for pulling him. What I take exception to , and this is done year in and year out, is that Harris didn't get near enough action in some of the rent-a-wins we played this year.
I know it is argued that AJ needed all the plays he could get. But look at it this way:
Unless there is a dramatic turnaround by AJ or a complete dominance by Harris IF he plays against A&M, we will go into 2015 starting just about where we are today: a dysfunctional offense with no clear, head and shoulders above #2 at QB.
It could have been different.
I have defended Coach Miles for years, but I wonder A LOT about the decisions when it comes to the QB position. The number of Fournette's carries also had me scratching my head.
Posted by monsterballads
Gulf of America
Member since Jun 2013
31141 posts
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:28 am to
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Looking forward to seeing Harris against A&M.....



look to the sidelines then because that is where he'll be
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
15121 posts
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:28 am to
1 makes no sense to me.
3 is possible, but no one is talking so who knows.
If 4 is true, then I refer you to the article on LM and his history with QBs at LSU. His game plans often do not work against good teams. Further, why not be flexible with the game plan where possible. Do not understand how BH handing off the ball is any different than AJ doing so. It is likely that BH is a better runner. I doubt he throws into coverage on 4th and 10 in OT when he could have easily run for a first down.

I don't think we will ever know what problem LM has with QBs.
Posted by sheek
New Albany, OH
Member since Sep 2007
44131 posts
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:28 am to
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Harris is in the dog house. This is a logical reason, but there is no basis for it and I have not seen anything to substantiate it.


What was this Shreveport Radio interview I have been hearing about. Did Harris throw Les under the bus? edit: never mind. wow guy spoke the truth. Les got all sensitve with that. So tired of this clown.
This post was edited on 11/17/14 at 11:31 am
Posted by Patch
Westlake, TX
Member since Jan 2010
2660 posts
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:28 am to
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it is abundantly clear that he is willing to forego an effective offense in order to minimize the potential risk of a TO.
so why does miles recruit big time passing qb's. I don't think this is the case or he would recruit a mediocre qb every year. If he was affraid of a qb going off script, then Harris wouldn't be here
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:28 am to
I don't think Harris is the answer right now, he may never be the answer.


He has the talent, the job is his for the taking, all he has to do is show the coaches that he is putting in the work to take it. Right now he is not impressing someone.
Posted by higgins
flowery branch, ga
Member since Dec 2009
7918 posts
Posted on 11/17/14 at 11:30 am to
Some fault does fall on BH for miss reads, wrong turns on handoffs, not getting plays in in time. That being said, after 1-9, coupled with the comments of being hamstrung by Fisher & Crowton, I believe this was totally calculated by Miles. Miles crumbled under the pressure during the NMSt game and was being publicly castrated by the student section. I believe he intentionally started Harris in a position to cause him to fail. In this situation, he wants to say "I told you so." He knows he still has unanswered questions from 2011 and is going to feel heat for another poor handling of the QB situation. I won't be surprised at all if Harris sees no time @ aTm. For Christmas, I'd love to see Miles delivered to Ann Arbor in a maize and blue package. I'm done with him. GEAUX TIGERS!
This post was edited on 11/17/14 at 11:33 am
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