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re: Point Per Yard - The New Statistic No One Wants You To See (Updated)
Posted on 11/21/11 at 7:51 pm to LSUTigahBait
Posted on 11/21/11 at 7:51 pm to LSUTigahBait
Great work!! Thanks for taking the time to prove we are the best out there!! 
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Posted on 11/21/11 at 7:52 pm to Deathrider
Good stuff. Funny how not a single piggie or gump has stopped by to comment.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 7:53 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:Which is why I think this stat inherently has more merit for offense.
Now look at the NWSt game, 7 points on 133 yards. That's a ratio of 0.05 ppy, yet I think that was a better defensive effort than the WVU game that isn't indicated by the ppy stat.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 7:54 pm to MountainTiger
quote:
I bet if you took the 25 teams with the lowest number of total points and then sorted them according to this metric, you'd have a pretty good list of top 25 defenses in order.
You're probably right, it's just that the lower the score the more your opponent is going up and down the field without scoring.
It does seem to indicate more of a bend but don't break defense as mentioned above.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 7:54 pm to El Josey Wales
quote:
Good stuff. Funny how not a single piggie or gump has stopped by to comment.
Still trying to wrap their head around dividing yards into points.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 7:55 pm to LSUTigahBait
You could save yourself the work and use the yards per point, which is available in multiple places, and measures the same stats.
This post was edited on 11/21/11 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 11/21/11 at 7:57 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:
You're probably right, it's just that the lower the score the more your opponent is going up and down the field without scoring.
It does seem to indicate more of a bend but don't break defense as mentioned above.
Exactly. My first thought about your example was an extreme case of bend-don't-break. The other teams red zone efficiency would be horrible. Which you could make a case for that being an effective defense but I think you and I agree that it would be a lot better if they just stopped the other team instead.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 7:57 pm to MOT
Is points per possesion available somewhere? That. Has to be the ultimate test
Posted on 11/21/11 at 7:59 pm to LSUTigahBait
Thanks. I asked in a recent post if any one had done an analysis on scoring efficiency by yards per points per scored because I suspected that the results would actually show LSU to be a very efficient offense. Glad to see my suspicion was correct. Nice job.
This post was edited on 11/21/11 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 11/21/11 at 7:59 pm to MountainTiger
The most effective defense is the one that prevents scoring. It's much like the most effective offense is the one that puts more points on the board than the defense allows.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 8:01 pm to bidnes
quote:
Has to be the ultimate test
Personally, my two favorites are point differential per game and win %.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 8:09 pm to bidnes
quote:Again, this depends on sample size. Which is kinda the points being brought up.
Is points per possesion available somewhere? That. Has to be the ultimate test
If LSU has one possession from the OPP 1 yard line and scores, it's 7/1. If LSU has one possession from LSU 1 and gains 50 yards and punts to the OPP 1, then it's 0/1.
Of course these things have a way of working out (sample size).
Which brings me back to the OP I believe saying the LSU offense is better than given credit.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 8:17 pm to drizztiger
Yards per point (offense)
1. LSU 9.9 (been tracking this for a few years and do not remember a team below 10 this late in the season)
2. Kansas St 10.3
3. Wisconsin 10.7
4. Stanford 10.8
5. Oregon 10.9
Yards per point (defense)
1. LSU 24.8
2. Alabama 23.4
3. Temple 22.8
4. Penn St 22.1
5. Michigan 20.0
1. LSU 9.9 (been tracking this for a few years and do not remember a team below 10 this late in the season)
2. Kansas St 10.3
3. Wisconsin 10.7
4. Stanford 10.8
5. Oregon 10.9
Yards per point (defense)
1. LSU 24.8
2. Alabama 23.4
3. Temple 22.8
4. Penn St 22.1
5. Michigan 20.0
Posted on 11/21/11 at 8:17 pm to LSUTigahBait
Very Nice Work ! Really enjoyed digesting your breakdown. What about time of possession? How do you think this variable translates in your summary? Again, really good work.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 8:24 pm to lsugumbeaux
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What about time of possession?
Adding another factor would make it more meaningful. TOP, or maybe number of drives. You need a factor that would limit exploding the data out some way.
There should be a way to distinguish between a 30 point 750 yard game and a 6 point 150 yard game - as both would equal 0.04 ppy.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 8:27 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:Im working on an equation to express unification.
There should be a way to distinguish between a 30 point 750 yard game and a 6 point 150 yard game - as both would equal 0.04 ppy.
See me in 2014.
This post was edited on 11/21/11 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 11/21/11 at 8:34 pm to lsugumbeaux
quote:
Very Nice Work ! Really enjoyed digesting your breakdown. What about time of possession? How do you think this variable translates in your summary? Again, really good work.
Interesting that you ask. I actually calculated points scored per minute according to each teams time of possession but I wasn't sure how to incorporate it as a factor. Still thinking about that one. As food for thought, here are the stats:
This post was edited on 11/21/11 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 11/21/11 at 8:37 pm to LSUTigahBait
You do understand running teams having better TOP are inherently penalized by Points per TOP equation?
Posted on 11/21/11 at 8:42 pm to LSUTigahBait
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LSUTigahBait
Uh, damn.
Billy Beane, Bill James . . . is that really you?
Posted on 11/21/11 at 8:44 pm to LSUTigahBait
Why do the so called experts not mention this?
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