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re: Plain and simple, why do some of you have such a issue with JJ?
Posted on 11/13/11 at 7:24 am to amarti9
Posted on 11/13/11 at 7:24 am to amarti9
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Both of those can affect accuracy. Which could you live with more?
whichever one affects accuracy the least, obviously, you stupid frick. clearly it's not just a cosmetic thing.
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Posted on 11/13/11 at 7:30 am to Lacour
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It boggles the mind. Take out perceived injustice to Lee. Take out the bar because you hated him before that.
For me the offense is boring with JJ at the wheel. He just doesn't provide a spark. He looks bored. Other then the TD he threw against bama in 2010 I've never seen him enjoy the game.
I absolutely hate it when JJ is QB because he always wants to run and he isn't superman in that department.
Yes, his option has improved, somewhat, but a team like Arkansas, with their firepower, it will be one turnover away from disaster.
That last sentence is the problem with Lee. If we could just get ahead three or four TD's then maybe Less could play more.
Les just doesn't seem overly concerned about QB's. I think he feels like they are there to hand off the ball.
Posted on 11/13/11 at 7:33 am to NorthTiger
JJ took a sack on a bad play but JL would have thrown a pick six. Both QBs have flaws!
Posted on 11/13/11 at 7:36 am to amarti9
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How about the idiot upstairs calling the plays NOT call a pass play with ONLY ONE WR while we are on our goal line on 3rd and long, an obvious passing situation that even a high school defense could possibly get a stop. The problem was not JJ it was the play from the very dam beginning. Who in their right mind calls that???
Wow well at least I see nothing has changed in the JJ fanboi club. WHenever soemthing goes wrong he is still blameless? Heaven forbid he reads a defense and see they are in a bad play and change it. No it cant be JJ's fault it has to be the playcallers JJ has no responsibility to get LSU in the right play or make the right read or get rid of the ball instead of holding on to it staring down his receiver and intentionally grounding the ball in the endzone.
If you cant see the double standard your not looking. JJ was arguably the worst qb in the country for a seven game stretch last year (Just look at his stats during that period) and was never benched. Lee plays poorly in one game after leading LSU to a 8-0 start and a 13 TD 1 INT ration and even now his ratio is well ahead of Jefferson's performance last year and the offense looks light years better but he gets benched.
Keep blindly defending JJ fanboi's dont let logic facts and actual performance sway you.
Posted on 11/13/11 at 7:36 am to raginjeauxcajun
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Horrible throwing motion....Stays in the pocket too long...takes sacks....underthrows the ball...Last night all the deep balls ,but the RR td pass was underthrown.
This. He is not a good QB. Lee is much better. JJ gives us the running option, which is good situationally like against Alabama, but he is not the guy to come in and start and run an efficient offense all game long.
Last night is a great example. We scored on some big plays, but the offense was not very efficient and we had to punt way more than we should have against a team like WKU.
JJ makes mistakes that are as devastating as throwing INTs.
Over on the SEC Rant, there is a thread saying that the Alabama defense is the best of all time. I am inclined to agree. I am glad that JJ came in last week and helped us grind out a victory with his running ability. Lee struggled. But, we will need his leadership and passing if we are going to win championships. JJ should not be the starter and Lee should definitely get more time than mop up duty in the 4th.
I hope Miles will see the light before it is too late. I like Miles and this coaching staff and hope/trust them to do the right thing here.
Posted on 11/13/11 at 7:39 am to amarti9
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How about the idiot upstairs calling the plays NOT call a pass play with ONLY ONE WR while we are on our goal line on 3rd and long, an obvious passing situation that even a high school defense could possibly get a stop.
Actually that's a common play from the goal line. It dates back forever. Notre Dame beat Alabama in the early 70's with that exact call.
It's replayed over and over virtually every week. However the QB has to execute. There's nothing to read, it drop, step and throw.
Posted on 11/13/11 at 7:41 am to Ancientiger
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Posted by Ancientiger JJ can't find his receivers, and he rarely throws the ball where it should be thrown. The pass to Shep that was incomplete is a perfect example (close but too long). But the main thing is that the offense rarely performs at the level it is capable with JJ in the game. Last night looked like 2009 and 2010 all over again.
Almost 500 yards of offense says you're wrong.
Posted on 11/13/11 at 7:44 am to Lacour
I don't have an issue with JJ the person, I just don't think he's a very good quarterback. That being said, we're 10-0, #1 in the country and I'll support Les and whoever he chooses to play.
Posted on 11/13/11 at 7:45 am to BordyLSU
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That safety last night sums up JJ for me.
Well Lee's performance against Bama sums it up for me. You guys are unbelievable.
Posted on 11/13/11 at 7:49 am to The Darrow Kid
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Well Lee's performance against Bama sums it up for me. You guys are unbelievable.
So you give JJ a pass on the 2010 West Va,Florida, Tenn, Miss St, Vandy, ULM, McNeese St and Auburn games and just base it on one poor game by Lee?
Typical JJ fanboi! Ignore JJ's horrible 7 game performance and focus on one bad game by Lee!
Posted on 11/13/11 at 7:51 am to AlaTiger
Lee was at home class TV.
1947 Holy Cross NCAA basketball team no. 1 with 10 players all first string. Each starting 5 played a quarter alternating quarters; maybe lee and Jefferson can do this!
1947 Holy Cross NCAA basketball team no. 1 with 10 players all first string. Each starting 5 played a quarter alternating quarters; maybe lee and Jefferson can do this!
Posted on 11/13/11 at 7:54 am to TriumphTiger
quote:And JJ is some kind of rock under pressure? Come on.
Or Lee's tendency to crack like an egg at Waffle House when under pressure
Posted on 11/13/11 at 7:56 am to Rudy40
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If you cant see the double standard your not looking. JJ was arguably the worst qb in the country for a seven game stretch last year (Just look at his stats during that period) and was never benched. Lee plays poorly in one game after leading LSU to a 8-0 start and a 13 TD 1 INT ration and even now his ratio is well ahead of Jefferson's performance last year and the offense looks light years better but he gets benched.
This and this. This year with Lee at the helm we had a special offense; we were a special team. So he had a bad game. JJ had gobs of them last year. It will be a damned shame if the offense goes anemic with JJ at the helm just when everthing seems to be lining up for us.
This post was edited on 11/13/11 at 7:57 am
Posted on 11/13/11 at 7:57 am to baybeefeetz
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throwing motion
This, this, and this.
It takes him about 7 seconds to throw the ball. He is always pulling the ball down then taking a sack. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE TIME to pull the ball down, set up and throw to another WR with his delivery.
Posted on 11/13/11 at 8:01 am to Lacour
I do not hate him. I see him as a good athlete and an average QB. I do not believe as a starter he gives us consistently our best chance to win. His QB play seems to be erratic at best. I do like him in the "change of pace" role. His athletic ability is something every opponent has to game plan for.
Posted on 11/13/11 at 8:03 am to Lacour
Lacour, here is my take on why I prefer JL over JJ:
1. JJ takes too many sacks.
2. JJ seems to wait for receivers to get wide open before throwing.
3. JJ has a tendency to only want to throw either 5 yard passes or bombs.
4. JJ is scary inaccurate sometimes.
5. JJ seems to throw to guys that are double covered.
6. When running the read option, JJ seems to have already made up his mind on what he's going to do before seeing how the defense is playing.
7. JJ takes off from the pocket way too quickly instead of trying to find another receiver when his primary receiver is covered.
These are my reasons for not wanting him to be our primary QB. It has nothing to do with anything off of the field.
1. JJ takes too many sacks.
2. JJ seems to wait for receivers to get wide open before throwing.
3. JJ has a tendency to only want to throw either 5 yard passes or bombs.
4. JJ is scary inaccurate sometimes.
5. JJ seems to throw to guys that are double covered.
6. When running the read option, JJ seems to have already made up his mind on what he's going to do before seeing how the defense is playing.
7. JJ takes off from the pocket way too quickly instead of trying to find another receiver when his primary receiver is covered.
These are my reasons for not wanting him to be our primary QB. It has nothing to do with anything off of the field.
Posted on 11/13/11 at 8:05 am to Lacour
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It boggles the mind. Take out perceived injustice to Lee. Take out the bar because you hated him before that.
What did the guy do to make some of you so butthurt?
i don't think anyone hates j.j. and is more for lee. I just believe the lion share of the people see that neither are elite qbs and lsu, more likely than not, needs both to end up where they want to be.
i think the frustration of some fans come from the appearance that favoritism is being shown. I don't think they think lee is better than j.j. or vice versa. they see lee having to come in and win against tenn and u.f. last year, wins 8 games for us this year, has a bad game and is benched. However, j.j. has had multiple bad games where lee had to save the day and is never benched.
i trust the coaches, however, it just doesn't make sense to the common fan watching the two play.
Posted on 11/13/11 at 8:09 am to Lacour
Because he so damn inconsistent. He makes you think he's going to be great, then boom, mediocrity. Back and forth, every game.
Posted on 11/13/11 at 8:09 am to dos crystal
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i don't think anyone hates j.j
BS - Come sit next to this guy in Section 106 next game
Posted on 11/13/11 at 8:10 am to Lacour
the majority of why his detractors don't want him at QB is because he's too inconsistent in his performance. there's some other things that irritate people and add to their dislike (perceptions about his demeanor, his lack of media savvy), but ultimately, it's the inconsistency.
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