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Pete Thamel weighs in on the state of the program
Posted on 10/5/21 at 10:08 am
Posted on 10/5/21 at 10:08 am
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sure doesn't bode well for O that even the national guys aren't playing the "OMG he just won a national title card"
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The program that put together perhaps the greatest offensive season in college football history two years ago can’t even get off snaps consistently. And after clearing out coordinators on both sides of the ball in the offseason, there’s no one left to blame but the head coach.
The gap behind Alabama and Georgia to the rest of the SEC is growing, and LSU has reverted back to the program it was far too often before the magical 2019 season — offensively dysfunctional, poorly coached and teetering on the brink of falling apart. LSU is 8-7 since winning the national title with losses to unranked Missouri, Mississippi State, Auburn (2020) and UCLA, leaving a distinct U-turn needed for Orgeron to keep his job.
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How good is the LSU job? Both Les Miles and Orgeron, the last two coaches, have won national titles there. And there aren’t a lot of coaches who respect Miles or Orgeron as strategists or leaders. Big characters? Sure. One chews grass and the other runs through campus with his shirt off. Big personalities, definitely. Few are more fun to do impressions of.
But as far as high-end football coaches go, Miles and Orgeron aren’t in the same sphere as the other title-winning coaches of this generation: Nick Saban, Urban Meyer or Dabo Swinney.
The real star in Baton Rouge has always been the LSU job itself — the local talent so rich and the fan base so passionate that even Miles and Orgeron could overcome their coaching shortcomings and win at the highest levels.
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As for Orgeron’s departure, how LSU positions itself to save on a buyout of nearly $17 million may be more interesting than watching the Tigers on the field this season. All buyouts in modern college athletics are negotiating points. But LSU will be dealing with a stubborn coach who likely wouldn’t get another shot at a high-end pay day. If you think Orgeron will go quietly, remember he quit on USC as the interim and threw a temper tantrum when he didn’t get the full-time job. Orgeron knows only bull rushing.
sure doesn't bode well for O that even the national guys aren't playing the "OMG he just won a national title card"
This post was edited on 10/5/21 at 10:14 am
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Posted on 10/5/21 at 10:09 am to BilJ
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The real star in Baton Rouge has always been the LSU job itself — the local talent so rich and the fan base so passionate that even Miles and Orgeron could overcome their coaching shortcomings and win at the highest levels.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 10/5/21 at 10:11 am to BilJ
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"OMG he just don a national title card"
Because some people pretend winning a championship gives a coach a lifetime pass.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 10:14 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Because some people pretend winning a championship gives a coach a lifetime pass.
Gene Chizik should have already woke people up from that narrative.
This post was edited on 10/5/21 at 10:15 am
Posted on 10/5/21 at 10:15 am to BilJ
It’s obvious LSU is letting media know it’s intentions regarding O
Posted on 10/5/21 at 10:16 am to RogerTheShrubber
yes and its typically the national guys that play that card because they lack a micro view on the program. When they're even admitting you're terrible, you're in trouble.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 10:18 am to BilJ
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sure doesn't bode well for O that even the national guys aren't playing the "OMG he just won a national title card"
It sure doesn't. It's quite a contrast from the last couple of years of Miles when national pundits and former players/coaches were railing LSU for even thinking of firing Miles.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 10:20 am to BilJ
quote:the last 3 coaches have won national titles here. There is no reason on this earth that we should not be able to hire the best of the best to coach here. It’s 100% proven that you can win and win very big at LSU. It made our difficulties hiring a head coach last time infuriating.
How good is the LSU job? Both Les Miles and Orgeron, the last two coaches, have won national titles there.
Woodward got Mulkey to leave Baylor - maybe he can finally be the one to close the deal on a top tier coach.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 10:21 am to RogerTheShrubber
Burrow didn’t help LSU with his Heisman speech as concerns hoping LSU would give Orgeron a lifetime contract.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 10:22 am to whitefoot
They liked miles because he was the zany coach with the goofy quotes. They weren’t actually invested in the program.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 10:22 am to BilJ
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Pete Thamel
I can't keep track, do we like Thamel now?
Posted on 10/5/21 at 10:23 am to Woodman
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Burrow didn’t help LSU with his Heisman speech as concerns hoping LSU would give Orgeron a lifetime contract.
Again, regardless of stature of player, no one should ever listen to them on hiring decisions. Remember Battle said that the team thought Justin McMillan should be the starter when Burrow first arrived.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 10:23 am to Woodman
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Burrow didn’t help LSU with his Heisman speech as concerns hoping LSU would give Orgeron a lifetime contract.
every player in the nation practically says the same shite about their coach.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 10:25 am to BilJ
This is just sickening. And a dour analysis of the accomplishments, and really failures as well because it’s off the mark. Everyone is envious of Saban……we had Saban. No mention of that here. At Alabama, Saban wasn’t successful early, but the school gave him everything he wanted without question or comment. Not so much at LSU. Didn’t even make that big of a play to keep him. And as a foot note a 17 million dollar buy out wouldn’t pay Saban’s real yearly salary.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 10:28 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:didn't work for Gene Chizik...he went 14-0 and was fired two seasons later. There is precedent.
Because some people pretend winning a championship gives a coach a lifetime pass.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 10:28 am to BilJ
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As for Orgeron’s departure, how LSU positions itself to save on a buyout of nearly $17 million may be more interesting than watching the Tigers on the field this se
This stuck out more than anything.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 10:29 am to BilJ
A few other quotes -
So yeah, O is likely gone.
And guys like Napier won't be on the short list. Woodward is going big.
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Around the college sports industry, the LSU job opening has evolved from a possibility to a near inevitability.
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When the pearl clutchers balked at Fisher’s gaudy $75 million deal, Woodward chuckled that he paid market value for a national title-winning coach. Expect him to do the same again, as Woodward won’t be Wal-Mart shopping for a hot assistant or a trendy Group of Five up-and-comer.
So yeah, O is likely gone.
And guys like Napier won't be on the short list. Woodward is going big.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 10:30 am to Mobiletiggah
Knocked it out of the park. The fact that 2 nitwits won titles here says everything about the program itself. Imagine having a competent head coach here. Sky is the limit.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 10:30 am to BilJ
Lol Pete Thamel hates everything LSU. This is the worst example
Posted on 10/5/21 at 10:32 am to whitefoot
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I can't keep track, do we like Thamel now?
Nope, and I'm still not giving him a click, but I agree with every fricking word OP posted.
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