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re: Pearson indeed is Mr Clutch...in the field also

Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:51 am to
Posted by NotaStarGazer
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:51 am to
Actually, on the topic, I quoted a bunch of facts from DandyDon's summary. I also quoted the FACT of what Jay Johnson said about Pearson batting cleanup. I also linked to Pearson basically saving the 2023 LSU NC. If he doesn't make that CLUTCH play, LSU loses the series even though it was only game 1. LSU got blown out in game 2 by Florida and that catch was in extra innings with Florida the home team.

Those are facts. If you don't know what FACTS are, that is on you. That is YOUR problem not mine!
Posted by KTiger85
Member since Oct 2018
855 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:53 am to
You either want the truth, or you want to tickle some bias you have by using a small sample size & making up your own definition of what is considered clutch. It’s easy to manipulate numbers & do that.
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A player can be a clutch hitter for a time period, like a season or a post season. Lifetime stats aren't only way to define it. At least for me. Pearson was a clutch hitter for us last year. He might not repeat next year. Biggio was a clutch hitter for large parts of his career. Interpret how you choose. You are in your wheelhouse.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:53 am to
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I also asked for SPECIFIC AB info from SEC games...not generalities which don't tell the situations such as scores when the AB occured, etc


Think about this again before you & 40 other people downvote it. With the thought in mind that clutch situations, when quantified by data, does not deviate much from a players normal production. Good hitters tend to hit well in what is deemed “clutch situations”. And bad hitters tend to fare similarly to their usual production read it a few times, then read this:

Clutch hitting exists, clutch hitters do not.
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
2054 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:54 am to
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Lester is not clueless about baseball. He likes to make statements to intentionally rile up people. That's his thing. But he follows a lot of baseball. His football comments are worse. Lol.


To be fair, I have categorized his comments multiple times as being 3rd grade level. That is indeed what 9 year old do. They just throw stuff out there just to get reactions as you said. That is still no excuse. Geez, if his comments are worse, God help us when that season arrives. I didn't know there was a level below "totally worthless posts'. I guess he has found it.
Posted by KTiger85
Member since Oct 2018
855 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:59 am to
Yep. Dandy is a good read everyday. The Rant is a good read some days.
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
2054 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:59 am to
Debated to death, and you lost. Almost any sports person has recognized and stated that clutch players in ALL sports exist. They have referenced that with the difference in batting with the based loaded and with other RISP situations. Just because a player's average in these situations is NOT much above his normal batting average does NOT mean he isn't more CLUTCH than others who have a worse discrepancy between normal and important situation ABs. You are proving squat!

If player A's normal BA is .250 and his "important" AB BA is .235, he is still CLUTCH if the other players on the team drop off even more. That certainly figures in as to who you want at the plate in important ABs. That is common sense but I will wait until you reach the 4th grade for you to understand that.

"Clutch hitting exists, clutch hitters do not." That makes absolutely 0 sense. Who do you think is doing the clutch hitting...bat boys...the fan sitting behind the plate? I keep coming back to this type of statement you are making. It is unbelievably idiotic.
This post was edited on 6/14/24 at 11:06 am
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 11:03 am to
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Just because a player's average in these situations is NOT much above his normal batting average does NOT mean he isn't more CLUTCH than others who have a worse discrepancy between normal and important situation ABs. You are proving squat!


If you hit .222in clutch situations, you objectively are not clutch .

That does not mean you can’t have a clutch hit.


You can’t be this stupid, can you?
This post was edited on 6/14/24 at 11:04 am
Posted by KTiger85
Member since Oct 2018
855 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 11:04 am to
Lester Earl
Billy, I computed these myself through game logs. I’m not aware of individual RISP stats being available

I personally like Pearson & hope he can be more consistent in his 4year. Good teams need solid, experienced players like him.
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I knew this about you. The other posts are just feeding your passion of just trying to annoy people. I am sure this is your favorite thread of the day. Lol.

Fyi, you used to annoy me. Not any longer. You stopped annoying me once I learned of your motives. You are a knowledgeable baseball poster, so I can overlook your approach.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 11:08 am to
The OP called me out in the original post, otherwise I would have not even bothered tbh.

I have no motives, I’m just here to talk ball
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
2054 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 11:23 am to
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If you hit .222in clutch situations, you objectively are not clutch .


Utter nonsense... if you hit .222 in clutch situations and all the other players hit .185, you indeed ARE the clutch hitter and indeed IS the person you want at the plate.
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
2054 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 11:25 am to
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I have no motives, I’m just here to talk bal


I call utter bullshite! Guy, you do this on EVERY topic I see you post on. You bring up meaningless stats...you would argue with a brick wall, etc, etc. For you to act like your responses are unusual is utterly absurd. Why do you think so many people call you out on your posts?
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 11:40 am to
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Why do you think so many people call you out on your posts?


You called me out but you can’t back up any of your claims.

The stats I used are very standard “clutch stats” used in baseball circles for decades. But NotastarGazer says they are useless because they completely destroy your logic in this thread lol
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
13467 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 12:07 pm to
You are very selective on what you consider “clutch”. Clutch plays aren’t reserved for the 9th or extra innings. You can have a “clutch” hit in the 2nd inning with 2 outs and a runner on. It’s not going to be remembered like the go ahead HR will be but it was just as clutch or important.
Posted by ItTakesAThief
Scottsdale, Arizona
Member since Dec 2009
9842 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 6:31 pm to
Every play and pitch is clutch.


If you change any single play or pitch in a game everything that happens after that also changes.
Posted by WMTigerFAN
Ouachita
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 6:46 pm to
This thread is still alive?
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
42856 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 6:52 pm to
quote:

This thread is still alive?
Yes.

LE and Nota refuse to just get a room together.

I'm curious who will be clutch in the end.
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