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re: Passing game...How do they fix it?

Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:25 am to
Posted by BigShowGeaux
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:25 am to
Same thing in each of these 3 plays… the WR is not even remotely covered. Coverage is tighter in the SEC…
Posted by 0
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:27 am to
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Passing game...How do they fix it?


The 1st 10 passes JD throws should all be screen, swing passes, short 1 read passes, etc. Let him get as comfortable as possible before letting him go downfield.
Posted by Damathe
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:28 am to
Actually THROW the football.
Posted by idlewatcher
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:28 am to
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The 1st 10 passes JD throws should all be screen, swing passes, short 1 read passes, etc. Let him get as comfortable as possible before letting him go downfield.


How pathetic is it that we have to baby our QB who has been playing college ball for 3 years now

what in the mf'ing frick
Posted by St Augustine
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:31 am to
Cut out a lot of the deeper, longer developing shite. For better or worse it doesn’t work with Daniels skills. If we had someone great behind him then it’d be a different story.

He looks like a completely different passer at the end of the half/game. Go with some more tempo and less progressions. Increase the read option as well.

It’s pretty clear the guy is a VERY dangerous runner so use that to set up more read action/play action passes. There are plenty of very successful dual threat guys throughout history that were extremely limited with their ability to go deep/go through a ton of progressions.

Bring back the damn jugs machine.
This post was edited on 10/3/22 at 10:33 am
Posted by Captain Crown
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:31 am to
Tennessee doesn't have a good secondary though
Posted by Damathe
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:33 am to
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We run short passing routes but Daniels doesn't always pull the trigger on those as well.
Posted by monsterballads
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:35 am to
it's the offensive scheme. daniels CAN make the throws
Posted by bayou85
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:40 am to
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Is it the quarterback or is it bad route combos.


Both JD wont throw 50/50s and he sometimes doesn't see open routes, but Denbrock has got to adjust to JD's limitations. Maybe he is and JD just isnt' improving. IDK.
Posted by 0
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:43 am to
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How pathetic is it that we have to baby our QB who has been playing college ball for 3 years now


There are NFL qbs that are treated the same way
Posted by BayouCowboy
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:47 am to
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Just need to spread the field sideline to sideline thus creating space for playmakers with 4 WR sets.

Eliminate the drop back scanning the field looking for limited targets.

Daniel's would excel in this type of system, less thinking is involved.


This is the answer. I've been saying this a while. More targets, opens lanes for Daniels to run and gives him more quick options.

I know people are tired of Brady being mentioned, but he said if you have trouble blocking you don't go 2 TE sets you go spread and get the ball out quickly. He used bunch sets as well to confuse coverage and get WRs open quickly.

Right now Denbrock is doing the opposite of tailoring the offense to the skill of the players.
Posted by iBack8569
Member since Dec 2021
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 10:51 am to
Easy fix: Spread Triple Option...JD would be money.
Posted by CP3forMVP
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 11:31 am to
I made this thread earlier, but for the tldr folks, it's a bit of a copout answer, but I think just time and more reps will help tremendously, I don't really think there is anything structurally off. I honestly think Daniels being a bit more aggressive (throwing into tighter windows) would help, but the WR's need to help him as well.

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I'll start off with just some prevailing thoughts here. First being, this was just a bad game all around. The conditions were poor, first time on the road, Auburn threw some looks at us that we weren't ready for (more on that in a bit). My hope is, and I don't think this offense will ever be GREAT, but my hope is this was just an off night where they were particularly bad.

I feel better about Denbrock now than I did at the time. I think the passing concepts can use a bit of work, but I also feel they're still working with an expanding playbook. Knowing how multiple Denbrock was at Cincinatti, we aren't there yet. My justification for that opinion: We are working in a bit more every week. A bit more jet motion, a bit more read option. You're seeing them add a bit more each week. Denbrock is still learning his players and vice versa.

We need Dellinger back. The interior of the OL was objectively bad in pass protection. The two Freshman OT's were beat on a few occasions, but I would say largely they were solid, but the interior did nobody any favors.

The WR's, were objectively bad. From the drops, to the route running. They created little separation all night and I think the QB's legitimately had a difficult time placing the ball to open WR's. I'm not hitting the panic button yet, but the Georgia fan base didn't seem all that enamored with Cortez Hankton.

Auburn, while they brought pressure at times, largely sat back in coverage and dropped, 8-9 guys. They really took away passing lanes. I feel that's why you saw so much action from Mason Taylor. I didn't have much of an opinion either way on it prior, but I do think there's a little bit to much on Taylor's shoulders right now and I would like to see Bech lined up there a bit more. I don't need him blocking or anything like that, but you're wasting away a mismatch at times.

So back to the confusing Daniels thing, Kelly referenced it in post game and I think what he was referring to was the way Auburn dropped their best pass rusher, Derick Hall #29, into the secondary a good bit, specifically on 3rd downs. He would line up in a 3 safety look and then immediately crash down, as a spy on Daniels. But this also gave Daniels some looks he wasn't prepared for.

Now a bit on Daniels. First thing, those who say he doesn't go through his progressions and he makes one read and runs, that's crap. He actually does a fair job going through his progressions. BUT, he's extremely hesitant to fit the ball into windows. I have to think Kelly and Denbrock have hammered into his head protect the football, but he could stand to be a little more aggressive. I think his biggest issue though, he's very slow/very inconsistent with his anticipation. The ball doesn't come out quick enough, not in the sense that he's holding onto the ball trying to find someone open, but that instead of putting the ball on a spot and getting the ball out when he needs to, he waits for a guy to actually become open. On an out route for example, instead of throwing when the guy is breaking, he waits until he is out of his break. I also think this rears it's ugly head on first and second downs. Players that aren't really open (as the play can be completed, but maybe not have yac), but I'm ok with a first down completion for 4-5 yards, and maybe with these receivers they make someone miss and pick up additional yardage.

So all in all, like I said to start, my hope is was just an off night for an already "so so" offense. Personally I think issues were kind of expanded on and this will largely be an outlier. The offense was not on the same page. It wasn't all on Daniels, it wasn't all on Denbrock, it wasn't all on the receivers. I'm also now, even more so, of the opinion that a QB change wouldn't do anything for this offense. If anything, I came away with a higher appreciation for Daniels ability to run.
Posted by Harry Morgan
Member since Sep 2019
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:32 pm to
Just have to listen to all the LazyBoy coordinators and that will fix it right away.
Posted by BeachDude022
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:36 pm to
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The 1st 10 passes JD throws should all be screen, swing passes, short 1 read passes, etc. Let him get as comfortable as possible before letting him go downfield.


This. And establish some type of run game at the same time. Then you can air it out. Simple game plan.
Posted by classicgold
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Member since Feb 2017
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:36 pm to
Kelly basically told you today. The QB has got to be unafraid to make a mistake. Daniels is terrified to let go of the ball. Kelly wants Daniels to put the ball in the WR hands, and you can tell he is beginning to get frustrated about it.
Posted by classicgold
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:38 pm to
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it's the offensive scheme. daniels CAN make the throws


Daniels can make the throws, but he won’t. He’s got some kind of mental block right now about throwing into tight coverage. We’ve got to find a way build his confidence in a hurry.
Posted by des4271
Member since Oct 2014
4031 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:38 pm to
Agreed, I may not like everything Denbrock is doing but he is trying to give JD a chance. He just isn’t a pocket QB for a multitude of reasons and won’t be.
Posted by Leopard7
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:39 pm to
Use it!
Posted by KC_LSUFAN
Kansas City
Member since Jun 2017
592 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:39 pm to
It's CATCHING THE BALL WHEN IT IS IN YOUR HANDS is the problem....

How do you fix it
YOU CATCH THE DAMN BALL!!!
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