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re: Out of state tuition and room and board is about 50k per year
Posted on 12/7/24 at 9:09 pm to Nutriaitch
Posted on 12/7/24 at 9:09 pm to Nutriaitch
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except fans aren’t tuning in just because of the players alone.
it’s the entire LSU package that makes it more money that Melvin university makes.
it’s also the coaches, the stadium, the big name opponents etc.
I don’t disagree at all.
The question is whether the athletic department would generate as much revenue as it does today, if you gave us John Melvin’s roster over a 10 year span.
If you think it doesn’t make any difference at all, then you’re basically saying the players provide zero financial value to the university. But I think that would be a pretty silly position to take. Wouldn’t we expect it to impact ticket sales? Donations? TV money? Bowl revenue? Conference disbursements? I would expect all of these to be impacted to some extent.
If you think that LSU would lose all football revenue in that scenario, you’re basically saying that the players have value equal to 100% of our current football revenue. That’s obviously silly as well. Even if LSU had John Melvin University players, there would still be some amount of people in the stadium and there would still be some demand for the product on TV, one would think.
The truth is somewhere in the middle.
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 9:31 pm to luciouslou
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That puts a 5 year scholarship at a quarter of a million dollars.
is that really not enough money to play football?
No thats not enough for many guys who are risking multi-million dollar careers while they are in college. Fournette and Guice both suffered knee injuries at LSU. Those injuries followed them to the NFL.
Some of these guys would by-pass college and go pro if it were legal. Some of them dont even want to be in college, but are forced to by NFL rules. 50k a year is damn near poverty.
Posted on 12/7/24 at 9:44 pm to Swamp Frog x
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This is a big true. I’ve always been against players getting paid. The amount a power 4 school football scholarship is worth is at least $500k over 4 years. Between tuition, room and board, food, clothes, training, healthcare, etc. not to mention the priceless networking you get as a football player, especially a starter. It gets you so far ahead in life. Them wanting money is pure greed because money is the devil.
To be clear I’m not against selling jerseys and signing autographs for money. Or even making money off of YouTube or w/e. But paying players outside of that is dumb.
So you are a broke arse, and you want college football players to be broke too. Go get your degree. Some college athletes are risking millions screwing around with college degrees they don't even want.
So glad these kids are finally getting paid. You do know there was a time that America actually thought slavery was morally justified. These comments from a board full of degree seeking non-athletes, discussing whether people with million dollar skills should be paid. Football is the only sport where you required to attend college for3 yrs, yet you can go pro without attending college. Free enterprise has introduced itself to college football, is called NIL.
Posted on 12/7/24 at 9:45 pm to BET
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Think about this. Take every player on lsu's team and move them to John Melvin univ. ....you think John Melvin will pack it 100k strong for one of their games? Nope.
I have preached this ad nauseum. Fans flock to LSU to tailgate, enjoy the day, and see a game with a competitive and level-ish playing field. If all stud athletes went to the UFL, are fans going to go ape shite over the Battlehawks versus the Roughnecks? No way.
The names LSU, Alabama, Texas, Georgia, etc drive attendance. The names on the backs of the jerseys rarely drive fans to games.
Posted on 12/7/24 at 10:31 pm to Madking
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Normally it’s 15-20% of their net, sometimes 30 depending. We overpay for our coach if that’s what you mean.
Yes and the entire system is way out of balance.
Posted on 12/8/24 at 8:06 am to LSBoosie
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What do you mean by this? That other poster literally said they shouldn't get paid.
They will get paid in a couple of years when they get drafted very high.
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Do you consider Brian Kelly a real adult? Because he gets free food, a $1.2 million interest free loan for his house, his car paid for, and $275,000 worth of personal air travel paid for per year. There are plenty of real adults that get expenses covered for in addition to their salary.
Brian Kelly has earned where he is in this world. You really comparing a 65 yr old man with 40 yrs under his belt to a dude that still lives with his parents?
Posted on 12/8/24 at 8:07 am to prepsportsallday
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So glad these kids are finally getting paid.
You were sad before? fricking weirdo
Posted on 12/8/24 at 8:28 am to Howyouluhdat
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Brian Kelly has earned where he is in this world
The players haven't earned where they are in the world by being some of the best high school football players in the country? Why does it matter where someone lives in relation to their value to a free market system?
NIL is allowing a free market to compensate participants as it (the market) sees fit. If you don't like that it's fine.
The suggestions that after getting a NIL a kid should pay his tuition, is laughable. If LSU implemented that policy the team would become a permanent bottom dweller because other places are willing to offer a full scholarship and a NIL deal. That phenomenon is called supply and demand.
Posted on 12/8/24 at 8:32 am to rintintin
In the end just kill all college sports and let them turn into pro teams. Completely remove the university out of it and stop with the fake “student athlete” garbage.
Let the see players go to a league that pays them for playing sports and leagues like the NFL pay for their development.
When college football gave up actually honoring the idea of a student athlete and same with basketball, then they have no business being in college.
Why should university funds be used to subsidize professional sports leagues? Let the kids be real pros and end this charade.
Let the see players go to a league that pays them for playing sports and leagues like the NFL pay for their development.
When college football gave up actually honoring the idea of a student athlete and same with basketball, then they have no business being in college.
Why should university funds be used to subsidize professional sports leagues? Let the kids be real pros and end this charade.
Posted on 12/8/24 at 8:39 am to Lester Earl
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Of course they aren’t profitable. I’m not mad if they are getting money. Who do you have beef with? All of this is free choice
Funny how the NBA DL and Minor leagues in baseball sure do pay those players a ton right?
There is a reason for that, which is that these leagues pin all the big cost o college sports.
Why is NFL #1 in value? Because they are the one league that pays jack shite for their player development. That is a major reason.
Force them to pay these high school kids and set up their development and see what happens. The NCAA should sue the NFL for putting in rules that block 18 year olds from entering. Then you spoiled athletes can go make their millions from the get go instead of making a farce of college sports and the education aspect of it.
Posted on 12/8/24 at 8:44 am to thejuiceisloose
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The players haven't earned where they are in the world
Are you serious? They are getting paid before they even play a down of football. No they haven’t earned anything
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NIL is allowing a free market
Except this isn’t what’s happening
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If LSU implemented that policy the team would become a permanent bottom dweller because other places are willing to offer a full scholarship and a NIL deal.
Wouldn’t be just LSU
Posted on 12/8/24 at 9:11 am to Howyouluhdat
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Are you serious? They are getting paid before they even play a down of football. No they haven’t earned anything
How do you expect them to play college football and earn their keep while being high school players? It's a semantics argument. Just because you think they haven't earned it doesn't mean much, the people writing the checks have determined they've earned it. The market of boosters and collectives has determined that they are worth a certain amount of $.
The market determines (and always has because college players have always been getting paid to play) that highly sought after players are compensated to ensure their services for a certain entity, it is now in the form of a NIL deal.
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NIL is allowing a free market
Except this isn’t what’s happening
Do you care to explain yourself?
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If LSU implemented that policy the team would become a permanent bottom dweller because other places are willing to offer a full scholarship and a NIL deal.
Wouldn’t be just LSU
No program looking to compete will be doing this
Posted on 12/8/24 at 9:17 am to luciouslou
Horrible value
Posted on 12/8/24 at 9:19 am to Howyouluhdat
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They will get paid in a couple of years when they get drafted very high.
What if they tear both of their ACL’s and aren’t drafted very high?
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Brian Kelly has earned where he is in this world. You really comparing a 65 yr old man with 40 yrs under his belt to a dude that still lives with his parents?
You said to treat them like real adults. You were the one who said that, not me. I just pointed out that there are real adults that get additional things paid for.
Posted on 12/8/24 at 10:17 am to thejuiceisloose
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How do you expect them to play college football and earn their keep while being high school players
Earn their keep lol? They earn it when they perform well at the next level bc that’s where their value comes in. Not in High School. Nobody cares what Joe blow did in High School if he sucks in college bc he was misevaluated. This isn’t rocket science. It’s amazing this concept is missing you. When you enter the workforce do you get paid top dollar for having zero experience and a high school degree?
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Just because you think they haven't earned it doesn't mean much, the people writing the checks have determined they've earned it.
No shite that’s why it’s ridiculous and we are having this conversation in the first place.
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Do you care to explain yourself?
A free market is based on supply and demand.
Usually when prices increase the demand decreases. That’s not what’s happening. This shite is getting out of control fast. It’s only going to get greater and greater to where the sport is completely compromised.
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No program looking to compete will be doing this
It wouldn’t be up to the program in the first place. Rules are rules. Right now there are none. There is economic regulation in the real world.
Posted on 12/8/24 at 2:26 pm to lostinbr
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The question is whether the athletic department would generate as much revenue as it does today, if you gave us John Melvin’s roster over a 10 year span. If you think it doesn’t make any difference at all, then you’re basically saying the players provide zero financial value to the university.
the players definitely provide value, but it’s just not an easy number to calculate.
even in the darkest years of LSU football with Curley as coach and a roster that was below average, LSU still brought in a shite ton more money than John Melvin did.
because the LSU brand alone carries value.
that’s a brand that was built up through generations and will continue to hold value beyond a hypothetical 10 year run of bad football (see end of archer through dinardo as proof).
and it could be argued that the coaching staff and administration bring in the most value because they’re the ones building the program. They’re the ones who are making sure all facilities are top notch, they’re the ones bringing in the players that fans are coming to see.
Posted on 12/8/24 at 5:44 pm to Nutriaitch
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the players definitely provide value, but it’s just not an easy number to calculate.
Agreed, it’s not really something you can calculate. I was just trying to illustrate the concept.
I don’t think it’s all that different than trying to determine a given employee’s value at a private company. I might be “responsible” for something like $5 million in revenue, but that doesn’t mean my value to the company is $5 million. It’s not the corresponding profit figure, either. The reality is that the company was around long before I showed up. I’m not so special that I can assume they would lose all that revenue/profit if they replaced me. But still, something tells me they’d take a revenue hit if they hired some bum to do my job for free cheeseburgers and a bus pass.
So how can I figure out what my value actually is? Ultimately it comes down to what the market is willing to pay you. Supply and demand, so to speak.
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even in the darkest years of LSU football with Curley as coach and a roster that was below average, LSU still brought in a shite ton more money than John Melvin did.
because the LSU brand alone carries value.
that’s a brand that was built up through generations and will continue to hold value beyond a hypothetical 10 year run of bad football (see end of archer through dinardo as proof).
Again, I agree. In fact I said it would be silly to argue otherwise. I am not suggesting, in any way, that the LSU athletic department would be completely broke if we weren’t successful. I’m simply saying there would be a revenue hit.
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and it could be argued that the coaching staff and administration bring in the most value because they’re the ones building the program. They’re the ones who are making sure all facilities are top notch, they’re the ones bringing in the players that fans are coming to see.
Sure, you could argue that. But I tend to disagree. I could potentially see an individual coach being worth more than individual players, but not the whole roster. I think it’s telling that the highest paid coaches and GMs in the NFL still make less than the highest paid players, despite not being subject to the salary cap. I think the faster roster turnover in CFB probably makes them more valuable (although the average NFL career is only like 4.5 years), I just think the players on the roster are likely a bigger factor. That’s just my opinion, though, and I suspect we will find out one way or another.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:03 am to Swamp Frog x
I agree that the spirit of the idea was for them to be able to sell merchandise, do commercials, etc
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