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re: Out of state tuition and room and board is about 50k per year

Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:42 pm to
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:42 pm to
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Yea I figured you couldn’t name any


Do the research yourself. Go follow every single player on every college team. I don't care if you believe it or not.
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And how is that?

NFL players and coaches are payed a base salary no matter what their performance is. You said college players should have contracts that are based 100% on performance.
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Again it’s about the integrity of the sport for the fans. When bodies start disappearing from games it will matter.

Then stop going to games or watching on tv. If people stop going to games and watching games, they will have to adapt. You can lead from the front. I'm going to continue to watch because I enjoy it.
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You couldn’t have been born this stupid could ya? The reason college sports is so fun to watch is because of the raw competitiveness and passion and this really waters that down

Ok. Again, you were talking about guys spending money and going broke, not the passion or competitiveness of the game. And again, if you don't like the product, quit watching and paying attention. Otherwise they aren't going to care about your opinion.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
19031 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:46 pm to
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If your attending school and playing for "your" school , you should not get paid. Jmo.

So in your opinion, if a player is so good that they create a name for themselves and become a star with a massive following, they should not be allowed to profit off of that?
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70790 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:48 pm to
That’s not what they’re being paid for though. Thats what NIL was advertised as to sell to guys like yourself but the rules were broken from the very first NIL deal. Ever wonder why it was never enforced? It’s been one scam after another and even a simp like you won’t like where this is going.
This post was edited on 12/7/24 at 7:50 pm
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12849 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:50 pm to
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Your theories on how much money football programs pull in. There’s an actual account you can find online but instead you used some kind of gorilla math to increase by 20x what it really is. Here are the actual numbers from last seasons top 25 programs.

I said that athletic departments in the power 5 conferences generated about $6.7 billion, among 67 schools (as of 2023), at an average of about $100 million each.

Your own link says that the top 25 athletic departments bring in $4.4 billion in annual revenue, with an average revenue of $177 million.

But you think I did some “gorilla math to increase by 20x what it really is”?

ETA: The total from your second link is actually higher than what I said. The top 50 alone add up to more than 7 billion.
This post was edited on 12/7/24 at 7:56 pm
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70790 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:56 pm to
Again you’re making things up and continue to ignore cost. Ohio State didn’t make 279mil last season, you’re suggesting there are hundreds of millions of dollars on hand that do not exist.
This post was edited on 12/7/24 at 7:57 pm
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
19031 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:56 pm to
And yet you haven't provided one solution for this massive problem that you are bitching about.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70790 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 8:00 pm to
A- you’ve shat on every solution that’s been floated so again you’re dishonest about the question

B- I’m not bitching or mad, just pointing out facts that make you exactly what you accuse everyone else of.

There’s no stopping this train now, these programs will be confiscated and taken from our schools. You can pat yourself on the back later when you’re wondering what happened.
This post was edited on 12/7/24 at 8:01 pm
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12849 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 8:16 pm to
Again, you’re failing to understand that THEY ARE NON-PROFIT INSTITUTIONS.

They mostly stay in the black because revenues have been rising faster than expenses (largely due to TV contracts) but they literally can’t take profits. Sometimes successful programs choose to transfer surpluses back to their universities. Most of the time they spend those surpluses to grow the athletics program, because it’s turned into an arms race.

As I pointed out several pages back, this is an arms race that the schools themselves created when they sued the NCAA over media rights back in 1981. It’s been building ever since then, and we are reaching the inevitable conclusion.

The funny thing is.. if there’s truly not a market/no money available for the players, then the schools don’t have to pay anything. The House settlement doesn’t require schools to allocate $20 million for revenue sharing. It caps revenue sharing at 20%. If there’s no money available, why would the individual schools pay anything?

I think the reality that most people expect is that schools with the most money will pay, and the rest will be forced to pay if they want to keep up. The schools with the most money are primarily in that position because [checks notes] that’s the landscape that the power conferences chose back in 1981 when they sued the NCAA.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70790 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 8:20 pm to
I’m not misunderstanding anything, you’re changing the topic which is fine but doesn’t have anything to do with what I said. My original post on this was in response to someone claiming billions were being hoarded instead of being used to pay athletes.
This post was edited on 12/7/24 at 8:28 pm
Posted by BET
Member since Jul 2024
1390 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 8:34 pm to
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If your attending school and playing for "your" school , you should not get paid. Jmo.

So in your opinion, if a player is so good that they create a name for themselves and become a star with a massive following, they should not be allowed to profit off of that?
if people are willing to give away their money pay for someone because of their status, I guess not. I mean think about it, why in the world would anyone want to pay someone because they can play football in hs or college? I'm just ole school and don't believe in nil for 1 second. A hs/college student athlete can earn his keep in the NFL if he is good enough. The old way where a school paid for everything that student athlete needed was good enough. The amount of money spent on each player before NIL was alot of money. College athletics should not be about money, if it is, it isn't real football and pure anymore.
Posted by BET
Member since Jul 2024
1390 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 8:39 pm to
Think about this. Take every player on lsu's team and move them to John Melvin univ. ....you think John Melvin will pack it 100k strong for one of their games? Nope.


Always remember when players play for lsu, LSU or any good team, is why the stadium is packed, not because of the players. LSU(Bama, osu, ut, uga etc) makes the player not the other way around.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12849 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 8:45 pm to
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My original post on this was in response to someone claiming billions were being hoarded instead of being used to pay athletes.

The first one I responded to was you saying it wasn’t a “multi billion dollar industry” because “1.3 billion isn’t billions.”

So we’ve established:
1. That $1.3 billion is just the NCAA’s revenue, not the schools’ revenue.
2. That the top 50 athletic departments generate over $7 billion in revenue (based on the link you posted in this thread; the estimate I provided was actually less than that).
3. That using profit to define whether it qualifies as a “multi billion dollar industry” is nonsensical considering the athletic departments are nonprofit institutions.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12849 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 8:50 pm to
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Think about this. Take every player on lsu's team and move them to John Melvin univ. ....you think John Melvin will pack it 100k strong for one of their games? Nope.

The flip side of this argument is:

Take every player from John Melvin University and put them on LSU’s team. Give it 10 years. What do you think it does to LSU’s athletic revenue?

Take the difference between:
A) LSU’s revenue with the John Melvin players over an extended period of time, and
B) LSU’s revenue with actual LSU players over an extended period of time.

Whatever that number is, it’s roughly the value that the players are providing to the university. The number certainly isn’t 100% of current athletic departments revenue, but it’s not 0% either.
Posted by Howyouluhdat
On Fleek St
Member since Jan 2015
9105 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 8:50 pm to
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So in your opinion, if a player is so good that they create a name for themselves and become a star



If they are that good then they will get paid either way. Like the other poster said if they won’t change then make them pay all of their expenses. Tuition, food,housing, car etc. Treat them like a real adult like they want to be
Posted by BET
Member since Jul 2024
1390 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 8:52 pm to
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Take every player from John Melvin University and put them on LSU’s team.

We would go 0-12
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70790 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 8:53 pm to
lol no we haven’t but tell yourself whatever you have to. Tired of wasting time on something that has nothing to do with the topic just so you can comfort your fragile ego. Babble on, I care not.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12849 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 8:55 pm to
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Tired of wasting time on something that has nothing to do with the topic just so you can comfort your fragile ego.

Nobody’s been forcing you to shitpost for 10 pages.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
10923 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 8:56 pm to
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Take the difference between: A) LSU’s revenue with the John Melvin players over an extended period of time, and B) LSU’s revenue with actual LSU players over an extended period of time.

Whatever that number is, it’s roughly the value that the players are providing to the university.


except fans aren’t tuning in just because of the players alone.

it’s the entire LSU package that makes it more money that Melvin university makes.

it’s also the coaches, the stadium, the big name opponents etc.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70790 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 9:01 pm to
Another totally nonsensical post. Congrats, you’re the jilted fanboy of a poster you hate.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
19031 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 9:05 pm to
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If they are that good then they will get paid either way.

What do you mean by this? That other poster literally said they shouldn't get paid.
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Like the other poster said if they won’t change then make them pay all of their expenses. Tuition, food,housing, car etc. Treat them like a real adult like they want to be

Do you consider Brian Kelly a real adult? Because he gets free food, a $1.2 million interest free loan for his house, his car paid for, and $275,000 worth of personal air travel paid for per year. There are plenty of real adults that get expenses covered for in addition to their salary.
This post was edited on 12/7/24 at 9:09 pm
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