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re: OT Film Room: Breaking down the LSU Offensive Line

Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:18 pm to
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
29860 posts
Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:18 pm to
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JD did his job though. He destroyed that poor kid.


Put him at tackle. I wish i was kidding.
Posted by lsufan1971
Zachary
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:26 pm to
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Got damn the screen play was bad


Screen passes have to be practiced alot to become effective. I doubt Miles and CO devote the time needed to get everyone on the same page. They work great against teams that have linemen constantly getting up field which Wisky was doing Saturday.
Posted by south bama tiger
Member since May 2008
6646 posts
Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:28 pm to
2013, 2014, hell even 2015 o-line seem to have been far and away more talented and more prepared than what we saw last weekend. We've always utilized some complicated blocking schemes and exotic pulls but it never seemed like our previous o-lines struggled all that much in executing.
Posted by banone74
Member since Oct 2006
1199 posts
Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:30 pm to
Check out Clapp, he whiffed also
Posted by CAT
Central Arkansas
Member since Aug 2006
7341 posts
Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:34 pm to
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Take a look at this. This one is incredible to me. It's not like Wisconsin was giving some exotic look. Hell, they didn't even have another player except for their 4 down


Clapp whiffs and Malone first checks down and is like Oh shite, and tries to get outside. 2 guys to block 2 guys and neither do it. This is horrible. Would love to hear what went on in film study after this disaster.
Posted by wildman77
The Milky Way
Member since Jun 2010
292 posts
Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:46 pm to
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Grimes should have been canned sunday morning
Should have hired Mawae.
Posted by wildman77
The Milky Way
Member since Jun 2010
292 posts
Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:49 pm to
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I hope brum and chiki get a shot this week to see if they can perform better.
You and me both!
Posted by Rotiger
Roanoke, Tx
Member since Aug 2006
462 posts
Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:55 pm to
On that play clapp was beat badly and malone hesitated because he didn't know who to block.
Posted by oreeg
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
5433 posts
Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:58 pm to
I think Boutte's responsibility in the screen play is protecting the backside of the ball carrier. Meaning if there is a situation where LF has to slow up and wait for the blocks in front of him, the Wisconsin player that took the bait and went after Harris could catch up to the play and tackle LF from behind. It's looks silly because the Wisconsin player is 10 yards behind the play and the the lead blockers totally whiffed
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 1:09 pm to
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This one is incredible to me. It's not like Wisconsin was giving some exotic look. Hell, they didn't even have another player except for their 4 down lineman near the LOS. Why Malone didn't think he should block the guy lined up right over him is baffling.

Watch Clapp - he didn't block anyone either. The entire right side of our line is lost.

LF7 comes over to take care of his assignment. Malone and Clapp don't even know their assignments; if you took them both out of the game for this play and didn't replace them, the outcome would be the same.
Posted by Rotiger
Roanoke, Tx
Member since Aug 2006
462 posts
Posted on 9/8/16 at 1:12 pm to
in my opinion they should have stayed up instead of trying to cut them. It's the more physical way and you won't whiff like Pocic did.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37534 posts
Posted on 9/8/16 at 1:13 pm to
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Malone (63) gets beat again right off the line; LF7 comes over to pick up his block, but Malone doesn't know his assignment and does nothing to protect the QB. Harris panics, loses his footwork, and misses and wide open Dupre.



That's also on Clapp as well. He loses his block on 94. Malone's job is to protect the outside, which he does a poor job of and is forcing Fournette to pick the guy up. It looks like this could have been a play wherein Fournette was designed to be the safety valve , but he stops to block because if he does not Harris ends up in traction.

Harris has no time to set up for the throw because now he has two guys out to rip his soul out. Dupree is wide open, if it is complete. I's a 1st down in Wisconsin territory.

Notice how Wisconsin is doing all of this with just 4 guys swarming to the left side . The fact that Dupree is open is pretty amazing.
Posted by TIEF
Member since Jul 2007
1113 posts
Posted on 9/8/16 at 1:47 pm to
Our offense sucked but Wisconsin's front 7 is good. From what I saw,as now better than ours.

Posters kept and keep saying they are so much less talented...Huh?...Why, because the have less 247 stars, are from Wisconsin and are white?
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
49830 posts
Posted on 9/8/16 at 2:41 pm to
Give me a break. One of the analyst already pointed out that whisky LSU was largest talent gap of any game last week.

Again, let me repeat Offensive Line Basics 101. Everyone must block someone.

and if the freaking TE cant block, wtf, we sure as hell dont ever pass to them.

REPEAT: Like my high coach used to say "boy I don't give a flying frick who u thought u were supposed to block but by damn you better block someone. U see boy, you are a offensive lineman which means u have to block someone every single play, sometimes two people.There are only 5 of you, we don't have plays where u get to do nothing. If u wanted that u should have tried out for receiver or something."

I have been saying all week Oline was worst group in the game getting a F---.

BTW, they were rated as second best Oline in SEC behind UGA or Bama's depending on who did it.

LINK
This post was edited on 9/8/16 at 2:46 pm
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
49830 posts
Posted on 9/8/16 at 3:30 pm to
And I agree it was mostly the left side.

But Ole Miss was killing FSU offensive line in first half too. Then Jimbo did something called "making adjustments", it's new in football and I guess we can't blame Miles if he doesn't know about it yet. And that was the end of that. We might want to try this new "In game adjustment" thing sometimes, it might work, who knows.

If u cant pass or run block on left, then run and roll out Harris to the right, maybe run some screens traps on left side to slow them down. Change the count. Do something....................................
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Member since Jan 2011
26267 posts
Posted on 9/8/16 at 3:44 pm to


On the play above, note that LF7 and JD44 stay in to block. Teuhema (LT) gets beat right off the snap, and our two backs have to clean up for him. LF7 even peels off and picks up the blitzing LB.

Except for the LT, LSU gets good protection, Harris makes a pretty good back shoulder throw, and and Durpe gets raped by the DB. It should have been a PI flag, the DB was all over Dupre.
Posted by tiggah1981
Winterfell
Member since Aug 2007
18296 posts
Posted on 9/8/16 at 3:53 pm to
Malone is not a starter...let alone a LT....his offer out of high school was puzzlin, but "trust the coaches" is all i ever heard on the RB.

I just haven't been impressed over all with qualiaty of Oline recruiting...
This post was edited on 9/8/16 at 3:55 pm
Posted by wildman77
The Milky Way
Member since Jun 2010
292 posts
Posted on 9/8/16 at 5:21 pm to
LSU doesn't value a guy that is skilled, but isn't that least 6'5" and 320+ lbs! You can suck horribly, as long as you meet those size qualification you can play on the OLine at LSU. If you are quick on your feet, strong as an ox, and can think and count beyond 10, but you're not 6'5 you ride the bench! Welcome to the Jeff Grimes era!
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Member since Jan 2011
26267 posts
Posted on 9/8/16 at 6:52 pm to


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Marked with the yellow star is LSU tight end Colin Jeter. In my previous article talking about the LSU run game, I discussed how Jeter uses a technique that’s a bit unorthodox, but usually works due to blunt force. What happens here allows inside linebacker Jack Cichy (yellow arrow), to tackle Leonard Fournette behind the line of scrimmage. This would lead to Gaglianone’s second field goal of the first half, which turned out to be pretty important.




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Bear with the bevy of yellow lines here. The yellow arrow indicates Jeter. You can see him physically pushing his fellow tight end, Foster Moreau, down the line toward Cichy, who is almost on the right hash mark. If the tight end is able to block Cichy, there is no penetration up the middle. Jeter and fullback J.D. Moore are looking to seal the edge, with pulling guard Will Clapp definitely providing enough manpower to get a first down with Fournette still coming behind them, right?




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Wrong. Jeter’s overzealous approach, which normally works, backfires on the Tigers as Moreau is knocked off balance, and he’s in no position to prohibit Cichy from knifing into the backfield and stopping Fournette from reaching the first down. It’s ironic that Jeter, who is simply trying to overwhelm the defense with aggression, put his own teammate in a poor position by being too aggressive.
Posted by Old Money
LSU
Member since Sep 2012
41779 posts
Posted on 9/8/16 at 6:54 pm to
It's so bad, my God
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